Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jacques Smith


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The result was keep. czar 23:05, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Jacques Smith

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Notability, subject was an undrafted player. He did spend time on the practice squad last season, but did not appear on the active roster and was cut earlier this year from the team and currently a free agent Edday1051 (talk) 20:01, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
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 * Redirect to another article such as List of Atlanta Falcons players as Books (one result), News and browser found enough results to confirm he was noticed but, however, he is not notable or is there better information yet. SwisterTwister   talk  06:46, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
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 * Not appropriate to redirect to the linked List of Atlanta Falcons players; that list's introduction states "It includes players that have played at least one game in the NFL regular season" -- i.e., not former players who were only members of preseason or practice squads. FYI, WP:BASEBALL does something similar to what you suggested for up-and-coming minor league baseball player by redirecting and including short one or two-sentence bios in a list of players within each MLB team's farm system of minor league teams.  WP:NFL does not, primarily because the NFL does not have a farm system of minor league teams.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 05:57, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete - Non-notable former college football player trying who tried to make an NFL team, but did not. Subject does not satisfy the specific notability guidelines for college athletes per WP:NCOLLATH (no major awards) or pro football players per WP:NGRIDIRON (no regular season game time in NFL or CFL), nor the general notability guidelines per WP:GNG (no significant coverage in independent, reliable sources).  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 05:56, 21 September 2015 (UTC)  Delete vote struck in light of new sources revealed during discussion below.  Please add sources to article text.  Thanks.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:04, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete Keep there appears to be another professional NFL player of the same name with Tampa Bay. I cannot seem to find any sources for this one, and apparently neither can the author of the page.  Fails WP:GNG.  Plus for living persons we also require sources and with none given, seems to also fail WP:BLP at least as written.--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:18, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Changing position new-found research points toward passing WP:GNG and other notability guidelines.--Paul McDonald (talk) 17:41, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. I may have time to look more and evaluate later today, but a google search does reveal some coverage, including: (1) this from The Chattanoogan (an "online media outlet"?), (2) this and (3) this from WRCB, (4) this, (5) this, (6) this, (7) this, (8) this, (9) this, and this from the Chattanooga Times Free Press, (10) this from nooga.com (not sure how reliable), (11) this, (12) this, and (13) this from ESPN.com, (14) this from USA Today, (15) this from the Knoxville News Sentinel, and (16) this from CBS Sports. Cbl62 (talk) 14:51, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * As this was only listed in the proper category on Sept. 25, suggest extending discussion now that it has finally been brought to the attention of relevant editors. Cbl62 (talk) 14:54, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Extend time I agree, there will be no harm in that. I may change my mind, as I have been known to do.--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:12, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. I am finding significant coverage (i.e., not just routine coverage such as passing mentions in game coverage or brief, one- or two-sentence signing-release notices), a small portion of which I have cited above, in multiple, reliable sources, including both Tennessee and national media outlets. While I appear to be in the minority, I believe the coverage is more than sufficient to pass WP:GNG.  The national coverage is arguably enough under the third prong of WP:NCOLLATH ("national media attention as an individual, not just as a player for a notable team") as well. Cbl62 (talk) 18:34, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   19:27, 25 September 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Giving this another week so people can evaluate the recently presented sources. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:28, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 19:28, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * keep Theres more to the picture than meets the eye. On the surface he is just any other undrafted player, but there actually are a decent amount on sources, many nontrivial, about the guy. Kudos to Cbl62 for uncovering may of them. Id ventre to say he passes GNG if not any of the SNGs. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 02:22, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep as a WP:GNG pass, per Cbl62's sources. Ejgreen77 (talk) 02:14, 9 October 2015 (UTC)


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