Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/JahSun


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The result was   delete. JohnCD (talk) 18:21, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

JahSun

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Unable to locate sufficient reliable source coverage to satisfy the WP:GNG. The fact that there seem to be several people with the same or similar aliases makes it unclear exactly who's who in the few sources I can find, but at any rate, none of them seem to be covered enough times in sufficient depth to be notable. Article was created by its subject. Cyber cobra (talk) 06:49, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
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As CEO of a major international aid organization, with dozens of mentions and interviews in the mainstream press... someone who has personally helped over a million people gain access to clean drinking water and sanitation, this call for lack of notability strikes me as somewhat ridiculous. If the removal of this article is called for, then why not the articles for the other CEO's of charity organizations. The fact that Scott Harrison and others warrant Wikipedia articles speaks to fact that being the CEO of an organization like Water Charity is notability enough.

Personally, it seems that User:Cybercobra appears to have a personal issue with me at the moment, which is uncalled for in this forum. He has taken it upon himself to personally spearhead attacks on all of my posts. I can understand if the Omnientheism article is not kept, as one of the sources of information for the article seems less than reliable. But for him to spend so much of his time obsessing over me personally and calling into question the notability of an organization that has a very proven and public track record of projects in approx. 70 nations worldwide, seems frivolous and mean-spirited. (note that charity:water only operates in 19 nations and has a page.)

If someone who comes to this page knows of any way to complain formally when a certain user targets someone for harassment or decides to have a vendetta, please post them here. Wikipedia should not be a place where petty people with nothing better to do with there time can make it their mission to target people for harassment. With the vast number of articles on the site, even if the user in question was unemployed and completely focused on Wikipedia, the idea that he could be spearheading attacks on every single entry I have made on this site purely by chance is ludicrous. JahSun (talk) 09:35, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Found it. Harassment


 * I ask that you call off your harassment of me and undo your most recent posts on the pages in question, and apologize to me. Should you continue in the manner you have, I will be forced to take this to arbitration.  JahSun (talk) 09:41, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete I would like a bit more evidence. 'Published author'? Doesn't seem to be available on Amazon. Being available there doesn't confer notability, but not being there.... I looked at the jahsun site, but no writings are listed there, either. It does say 'mostly done through [his] agent', but does that mean the writing or the publicity? The bit where he is addressing Rotary International (the whole organisation? the Deadman's Flats branch?) is a bit unnecessary, as he is merely quoting someone else. I am puzzled by a statement on the Water Charity site, which is probably not really relevant to this discussion (not a 'forum', please...): "Although Water Charity is relatively new as an organization, we have been “doing water projects” for well over 40 year". I don't understand that. There could be a case for notability here, but at present I am not seeing it. The only source in the references that is considered reliable by Wikipedia (see WP:RS) is the Ban Ki-moon one, which does not mention this person or his organisation. By the way, finding the same people at different places is not unusual here. We follow links from things we've found. Cybercobra is a long serving and respected volunteer here (virtually all are volunteers - the paid staff is not big enough to make a football team), and he does what a lot of us do - he follows through. That is why I am here. Peridon (talk) 17:12, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. I will change my stance if reliable sources are brought up according to WP:RS (persons). At presence there is not more than the mere statement that those exist, not the sources themselves. L.tak (talk) 17:17, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I take it you mean WP:RS ? --Cyber cobra (talk) 19:17, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, it was Notability (persons) that I meant, but I didn't check my link anymore after posting.... L.tak (talk) 20:33, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong delete Clearly not a notable person. The article was created by the subject, and is an advertisement/personal website. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 22:21, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * "The fact that Scott Harrison and others warrant Wikipedia articles speaks to fact that being the CEO of an organization like Water Charity is notability enough." Not quite: WP:OTHERSTUFF --Cyber</b> cobra (talk) 22:38, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note The claim that JahSun is the CEO of a notable organization, Water Charity, is not true. Like this article that JahSun created about himself, this article is also not notable, and doesn't have any 3rd party reliable sources that establish notability. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 22:50, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Are you seriously trying to claim that I am not the CEO of Water Charity? Perhaps you are just being unclear.


 * I am not only the CEO, but a co-founder of this organization which is active in 70 nations worldwide. Why you feel the need to hound me on page after page baffles me.  It is a sad commentary when you find this enjoyable or worthwhile.  Wasn't the summary rejection of your last call for deletion enough to show you that you're lacking impartiality in this?JahSun (talk) 23:01, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete I could find no evidence that JahSun or Jah Sun has received any coverage by independent reliable sources, which is required for an article here. I am also puzzled by JahSun's claim to be head of a "major international aid organization, with dozens of mentions and interviews in the mainstream press". Are you talking about Water Charity? According to that article's Wikipedia page, Water Charity has no paid staff and is run entirely by three volunteers (one of them being JahSun), and I could not find a single mention of Water Charity in any independent source. I could also not verify any location for Water Charity, and I could not find any listing for it at Charity Navigator. It's hard to see how this could be defined as a "major international aid organization" by any stretch. MelanieN (talk) 23:08, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


 * See new references posted on the delete page for Water Charity. You seem to have not put much effort into your research.  If helping 1 million people worldwide does not make us a major international aid organization I don't know what does.  The fact that I donate my time as CEO does not make my work any less difficult or important.  http://watercharity.org/node/6 clearly shows my rank in the Water Charity organization.  JahSun (talk) 23:55, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The references you provided, to back your claim that you are a notable individual, are not WP:RS for a WP:BLP. Please read these two articles. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 00:08, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - self-promotional autobiography. Subject doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG so a neutral edit isn't going to help things. <strong style="color:#9400D2;font-family:comic sans ms;">ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ <strong style="color:#DC143C;">Speak 00:12, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Unless reliable sources establishing notability are provided. Begoon &thinsp; talk  00:37, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - per all of the above. After removing the promotionsal info, you are truely left with nothing. 132.3.33.68 (talk) 22:28, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails to meet our notability guidelines.--Epeefleche (talk) 21:23, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:AUTHOR, WP:BIO, WP:N, WP:RS, WP:AUTO, WP:COI, etc. Qworty (talk) 07:00, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
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