Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jai Jai Maharashtra Maza


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Alpha_Quadrant    (talk)  03:40, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Jai Jai Maharashtra Maza

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This song exists, but has only two passing gnews hits, no gbooks hits, and no RS refs in the article. Tagged for notability for 3 years. Epeefleche (talk) 21:37, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:43, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:44, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep: The song is quite old song and quite popular too. Try avoiding this song on some National holiday in Maharashtra. Impossible! The article surely should be improved and more weightage to the old original version of the song should be given. Will start editing it accordingly. -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 10:08, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Per our verifiability and notability policies, we need more than personal knowledge to support a keep !vote.  See WP:IKNOWIT.  If you can demonstrate notability, per our guidelines, please do so.  Simply asserting that it is notable will not help us.  Thanks.  --Epeefleche (talk) 02:01, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You have to keep in mind that for Indian articles you would not necessarily find the sources you look for. & btw, the song is more known as "Garja Maharashtra Mazha". If it does not get deleted in this AfD, it will probably be moved to this name after a consensus. -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 08:42, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Feel free, if it is verifiable that they are the same song, to add refs relating to that name. But for a proper keep !vote, we need verifiable RS sources, per wp:v, not attestations by editors (even though they may well be accurate).--Epeefleche (talk) 08:48, 3 February 2012 (UTC)


 * keep This is a very popular song in maharashtra state in India.But this article must be improved(talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:10, 28 January 2012 (UTC).
 * Thanks, and welcome to Wikipedia. As I said to your above colleague, who made the same assertion that you make, per our verifiability and notability policies, we need more than personal knowledge to support a keep !vote.  See WP:IKNOWIT.  If you can demonstrate notability, per our guidelines, please do so.  Simply asserting that it is notable will not help us.  Thanks.  --Epeefleche (talk) 02:01, 3 February 2012 (UTC)


 * This Wikipedian is a colleague to me just as he is to you. You need not draw lines or have impression that we are teaming. :-) (Thought its better to clarify) -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 08:47, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying. I did notice that he is pretty much a brand new editor, and always find it interesting when brand new editors turn up at AfDs early in their careers.--Epeefleche (talk) 08:50, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bryce  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 01:53, 3 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep per improvements made during AfD. Sources appear adequate, expecially the book "Bombay, meri jaan: writings on Mumbai" that defines the song as "one of the most popular songs in Maharashtra". A withdrawal is suggested. Cavarrone (talk) 09:25, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi. I'm open to considering withdrawal, to save time.  I see that one of the refs is a passing mention 1-sentence mention, a second is 2 sentences but quite laudatory, and I can't see the third ref that you base your !vote on, as the link fails to even show me a snippet.  Can you give me more info about it?  Thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:07, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry i didnt see your this comment somehow. This reference is about the release of the new album that includes this song, which i assume is the one you refer as "quite laudatory". This one mainly talks about the Recording company's business but has important quote of the writer about the use of swear words in it. This i assume you refer as passing mention but is important for the reason explained. And i cant help if the book reference doesnt show you a snippet. I cant even imagine what the reason could be. Can you ask someone else to look it out? This hyperlink should take you directly to the snippet view which read.... of folk theatre work whose 'Garja Maharashtra Mazha' became one of the most popular songs in Maharashtra: 'Earlier, everyone spoke Marathi in Bombay. Today you have to speak in Hindi. That is the tragedy of the Marathi language. There was a working-class..... If not, you can try searching Garja Maharashtra in Google books to find this book. NOTE: As mentioned earlier this song is also called as "Garja Maharashtra Mazha" and thats what is used in this reference. -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 21:32, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Am I missing how I can verify (in an RS) that this song is also called "Garja Maharashtra Mazha"?  Also, if we can verify it, one of us should put that important fact in the article, where it is not mentioned at the moment.--Epeefleche (talk) 21:36, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * RS for checking that both are same? I doubt i will find. But the lyrics should help. They go "Jai Jai Maharashtra Maza, Garja Maharashtra Maza". So the song can be known by its 1st or 2nd line. Just like how "My Heart Will Go On" can be called as "Every night in my dreams" by some people. Now ofcourse there can be numerous different songs also having these two lines, although i know none. But i guess you should just believe in the editors who know this song and say so. You can also query other editors. Thats much better. Just you & me talking here wouldnt work. -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 16:24, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep: Even just the book source would be good for an article where sources would likely not be found in English. SL93 (talk) 17:46, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep: Article has sufficient source/references, I agree with SL93 even just book source would be good for article if no source available in English. I request to withdraw this nomination, should save our time. KuwarOnline Talk''' 19:03, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to withdraw if I can see the info requested above. If it has multiple substantial RS coverage, it should be kept.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:11, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
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