Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jai McDowall


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 04:56, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Jai McDowall

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He has only just won Britain's Got Talent, which is the only thing he is notable for doing, therefore WP:BLP1E applies. – anemone projectors – 22:39, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep: Past winners of Britain's Got Talent have their own pages and this article will only grow as Jai releases music, etc. I would only support a deletion if it was a contest that had no prize. However, the prize money ensures some kind of career and hence notable. Paul237 (talk) 23:16, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * "Other articles exist" is an argument to be avoided, though most winners have gone on to become notable beyond BGT. The cash prize does not guarantee he will release an album. That's speculation on your part. It's probable, but until he releases a recording that reaches a national chart, he's only notable for one thing. – anemone projectors – 23:37, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * With respect, I posted my opinion here and you posted yours. You don't need to argue against everyone who disagrees with you here. We're well aware of your opinion by now! Paul237 (talk) 21:29, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - he's won one of the biggest TV talent show's in Britain, and is already getting plenty of coverage. GiantSnowman 23:31, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Britain's Got Talent (series 5) per WP:1E. - JuneGloom    Talk  23:31, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep There is no need for this to be deleted, he will be appearing in front of the queen which WILL be broadcasted, and then will no doubt release music. 92.22.57.211 (talk) 23:53, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  — -- Cirt (talk) 00:39, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
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 * Keep - The rule you cited only applies if said person is notable for doing one thing. Winning the competition itself guarantees that he'll perform at the Royal Variety show. We can't be certain where that'll lead him but that's at least two things that he'll be known for as a guarantee, with probable additions in the future. 90.212.153.186 (talk) 04:13, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * His appearance on the Royal Variety is linked to Britain't Got Talent anyway, and it's just a single performance. I know I'm violating WP:CRYSTAL myself by saying this but there's always a chance he won't make the performance. Until he's been on it, he's not notable for being on it. – anemone projectors – 09:44, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep for now.andycjp (talk) 07:06, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Why? And why only for now? – anemone projectors – 09:44, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Britain's Got Talent (series 5) in line with wikipedia policy: WP:1E. -Andrew (talk) 10:46, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep I have no idea who this person is but...there is enough out there about him and if Wiki does not wish to appear stuffy and out-of-touch then it needs articles like this to be kept and expanded not deleted.--Egghead06 (talk) 11:05, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep For sure Keep, there is a huge ammount of press surounding him at the moment. 92.22.17.171 (talk) 11:34, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep, because he won a big talent show and he has signed recording contract. --Stryn(t) 14:23, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect For now per WP:1E. If he becomes hugely famous and releases music down the line and gains notability away from the show then sure. Right now however, remembering WP:CRYSTAL, he's known for only being on BGT. Aside: Anyone else suspicious of these multiple 92.22.x IPs who've only ever edited Jai's page? Spyka (talk) 16:23, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep, I searched for previous winners of Britain's Got Talent and the 2010 winners, Spellbound, have their own page on Wikipedia, so to be consistent, this article should remain.Kklamb (talk) 18:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFF - Spelbound and its members have had success and big careers outside of BGT, like Susan Boyle, Paul Potts, etc. As it stands the same doesn't apply to Jai. It may in the future, but WP:CRYSTAL Spyka (talk) 18:47, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep, for now anyway's, BGT is a big showSuperlightoftruth (talk) 18:34, 5 June 2011 (UTC)===
 * This isn't about BGT it's about Jai. Remember WP:ITSA Spyka (talk) 18:47, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Don't need to say much more then that really. This article deserves to be kept. (Ruth-2013 (talk) 19:01, 5 June 2011 (UTC))
 * For what reason? – anemone projectors – 19:35, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * As the winner of a major television show for one thing the person is notable. Then for second he will perform at the royal verity show again a major notable show so clearly this person is notable. As far as I am concerned for these 2 reasons it warrants my keep vote (Ruth-2013 (talk) 19:51, 5 June 2011 (UTC))
 * Comment, this article could now be merged to List of Britain's Got Talent finalists (series 5) (which needs to be expanded). – anemone projectors – 20:02, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * In fact, I strongly urge that it is merged there. – anemone projectors – 00:09, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - in these circumstances CRYSTALBALLERY is entirely appropriate, hence look at WP:MUSICBIO item 2 "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart" - and fwiw and purely impo this nomination should be closed iaw WP:SNOW. Springnuts (talk) 21:28, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * He hasn't released a single or album. – anemone projectors – 00:09, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - per nomination Koblizek (talk) 23:04, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep: Of course this should be kept. The winner invariably forges a career, this is a live, and fluid page. The deletion request is vandelism by supporters of other acts in the TV series. I'd say the deletion request is an act of Troll — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.3.47 (talk • contribs)
 * Keep: when its decided that all contestants to make the live shows of american idol are notable, i think the winner of the UK's biggest show is too.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.250.74 (talk) 06:21, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Another "other stuff exists" argument. And it might be helpful to note that in the case of The X Factor (a British show like this one), only cotestants who gain notability beyond the show get articles. We have lists of finalists for this reason. And we now have a list for the BGT finalists. Unlike The X Factor, the winner of BGT does not release a single on the night of the final, therefore there's no reason for an article to be created right away, and a list entry would be suffiecient. – anemone projectors – 10:09, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep: Suspect delete requests are motivated more by opinions about whether or not Jai deserved to win. Fact is, he did win and is therefore almost certain to be a recording artist as well as further live and television appearances.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steveguy (talk • contribs) 10:24, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Again, WP:CRYSTAL. And FYI I am very happy he won. – anemone projectors – 10:29, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge (changed from redirect) to List of Britain's Got Talent finalists (series 5) per WP:1E. - JuneGloom    Talk  13:19, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge all of the BGT finalists pages together apart from Jal who should have his own because he is the winner and could do another single plus he is in RVS --Superlightoftruth (talk) 20:18, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge (changed from keep) to List of Britain's Got Talent finalists (series 5). --Stryn(t) 04:18, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep: Since winning Britain's Got Talent he has appeared as a guest on several day-time television shows. Daybreak, Lorraine and This Morning. Whether he makes it or not, he has been asked to perform for the Queen at the Royal Variety show, not many people are asked to perform at this event. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markgwinter (talk • contribs) 11:09, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Being interviewed doesn't make someone notable. – anemone projectors – 12:24, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * But winning Britain's Got Talent and the mere fact that he has been asked to perform for the queen does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markgwinter (talk • contribs) 19:09, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - much as though my heart says delete, as he was my least favourite competitor in the final, it seems clear to me that he deserves his own page. Tris2000 (talk) 14:43, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.