Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jaime Jara


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The result was   delete. The Bushranger One ping only 00:03, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Jaime Jara

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Subject fails WP:NMMA with only 1 top tier MMA fight. Article also lacks good sources, the only one given is his fight record at sherdog. Papaursa (talk) 04:39, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia articles shouldn't be deleted just because they lack citations that are obviously out there.


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 * Keep Has fought on Showtime. See here and here for more Showtime info. Also read about his ten fight win streak here. [|Here] is another article on him about being on Showtime. I think he has been on TV enough to pass WP:GNG. EliteXC should be top tier anyhow. Here is another. I'll dig a little deeper tommorow. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 05:53, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Here is a second source citing his second Showtime appearance.I'm pretty sure all of his showXC cites were on Showtime because SHOxs was Elitexc(Proelite) except on Showtime rather than whatever basic channel they were using to peddle Kimbo Slice. So there are 2 refs above for that. I'll find the third (if I didn't inadvertantly find it already). How many fights on Showtime do you need plus a bellator fight to be notable? There isn't an MMA notability guideline that answers this question. If you notice on the athlete guide for WP:NBOX they only require 1. Yet Jara has multiple. That, along with his Bellator fight, should make him notable under the WP:GNG. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 05:55, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Per PortlandOregon97217 comment, how EliteXC is not a defunct top tier promotion further proves the essay known as WP:MMATIER is too flawed to be sole basis of consensus. Sepulwiki (talk) 07:35, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Might I add that an elitexc card on showtime featureing Gina Carano was the first televised womens mma fight? Pro Elite was a pioneer when it came to promoting mma. ]The only difference between EliteXC and SHoxc is that the former was put on by CBS, the latter Showtime. But Pro Elite is still putting on fights. I think that the umbrella company Pro Elite, and all of its incarnations should be top tier. However, I'd liken that change being made to getting the mmaproject to swallowing a horse pill. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 08:06, 16 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete He fails WP:NMMA. Although Portland wants to always use his own criteria, I prefer to stick with the existing ones. Mdtemp (talk) 18:02, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Md2020 Mdtemp I am flattered that you follow me around so much. I prefer WP:GNG, as Sepulwiki pointed out the WP:NMMA is critically flawed (as I have also pointed out above). So, I don't place much stock in it. Especially when something passes WP:V easily. So yeah, I'm going by the WP:GNG so I don't see the problem.PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 01:10, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:NMMA with too few top-tier fights, not enough sourcing to pass WP:GNG. Lots of unsourced claims in the article. Wasn't even fighting at the highest level of EliteXC. ShoXC was different as it was used to "promote up-and-coming fighters." As for WP:NBOX, each sport has its own requirements. Boxing is not MMA. Luchuslu (talk) 20:47, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment even if that was the case, it doesn't discount him fighting on Showtime multiple times. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 01:09, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:GNG. Although he does fail WP:NMMA, with 3 ShoXC fights on Showtime, multiple KOTC fights, Bellator, and a total of 46 professional fights, I would argue that he has achieved enough media exposure to pass WP:GNG. Willdawg111 (talk) 04:49, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Willdawg111 is currently banned from MMA discussions. Papaursa (talk) 19:32, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Then get rid of his comment.
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 * Comment why was Willdawg111's Keep striked out? Sepulwiki (talk) 05:33, 17 January 2013
 * Will is topic banned. Look WP:GS/MMA. --LlamaAl (talk) 00:35, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The timestamp predates his topic ban by a few hours actually, as posted on his talkpage. I will remove the strike. I assume in good faith this was merely an oversight. It is funny tho, I made a mental note to myself about that yesterday, and what do you know? PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 01:09, 18 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete He fails WP:NMMA. Entity of the Void (talk) 19:02, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Does not meet WP:NMMA. 204.126.132.231 (talk) 22:00, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
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