Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jake "The Snake" Roberts: Pick Your Poison


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. Sandstein 15:22, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Jake "The Snake" Roberts: Pick Your Poison

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nn DVD release, WP is not a directory, just a match listing of a DVD, does not needs it's own article. A precedent case, the similar Hard Knocks: The Chris Benoit Story, has previously been deleted and speedied. Any info for this could be easily put on Roberts' page (and other similar DVD releases). Biggspowd 04:46, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete though I don't object to the DVD being on the wrestler's own article, at least by title. There are literally dozens of wrestling DVDs/videos made every year.  If there's any notability to any of them in particular, that can be handled as it comes.   FrozenPurpleCube 06:10, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep if you're listing precedents then there are a long list of WWE DVDs that have been up for deletion and kept. MPJ-DK 12:32, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment, That afd is not a legitimate precedent as that tried to tag about a dozen DVD pages, which varied in notability. There was no clear consensus, and many voters were torn between what DVDs should be kept or not.  Doing things individually instead of grouping is better since not all DVDs are equal, and the Benoit DVD page was deleted, and this is very similar in terms of style and notability. Biggspowd 13:28, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - torn between which should be kept and which shouldn't, which leads to the logical conclusion that SOME should be kept right? Which also leads to the conclusion that this entry should be judged totally on it's own, that's the "legitimate precedent" set right? - not based on what happened to the Benoit DVD on the basis of this DVD - and this DVD, even if the article doesn't do it justice is a documentary about the career of Jake "The Snake", the matches listed are "Bonus" features and thus does not define the DVD. If it was a DVD which's main feature were matches I'd agree it should be deleted. MPJ-DK 13:33, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep. The DVD in question is a legitmiate documentary of a notable person. MadMax 13:04, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment, no one is questioning that the DVD doesn't exist or isn't legitimate, or that Jake Roberts isn't notable, the question is if it is notable to have it's own page, which it is not. Biggspowd 13:28, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

*Keep I am going with keep, if the dvd is biographical in nature then I feel that it should be okay to have on wikipedia. However I feel that the page needs more explanation in the Overview section on what is going on in the DVD. Govvy 12:28, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep WWE hyped this up and treated this as a major release. As stated above, the worker it is about is notable as well. Kris Classic 20:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not a directory of every DVD released. One Night In Hackney 303 00:12, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Phew that's a relief then that not every DVD is listed on here, not even near every wrestling DVD/Video released, heck not even every WWE DVD ever made is listed here. That argument is pointless here since we're discussing the validity of THIS specific DVD and it's inclusion on Wikipedia not if we should add ever wrestling DVD ever made, could we please discuss the validity of the inclusion of THIS specific DVD? MPJ-DK 12:47, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep I'd say keep it and have someone expand the main feature section. MPJ-DK 12:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep IF someone with the DVD is able to carry out MPJ-DK's suggestion in a suitable manner. ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 14:17, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I thought I kinda suggested that!! Govvy 21:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * COmment and then I took credit for it ;) if this article is kept I'm going to nominate it for the Pro Wrestling Collaboration of the Week so that we can get it formattet right and have the documentary part expanded MPJ-DK 07:18, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Oops! Okay I'll cite Govvy as having the original idea ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 11:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete All the documentary's content is about his life, which is sufficiently covered in the main Jake Roberts article. Just rehashing that info into a page about a DVD is just totally redundant and unnecessary.  I would suggest that the main Jake article has a bit of info about the DVD, but not its own article.  If there are verifiable things in the DVD that are relevant and important in his life, just put it in his article.  The DVD doesn't cover any new ground. Dannycali 22:52, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I have not watched this DVD but from reviews it seems Jake makes a number of completely unverifiable claims that may not be appropriate for the main article. For example, I've read that he claims his crack cocaine bust in Florida AND his animal cruelty bust in England were both law enforcement conspiracies. Things like that give this DVD a unique element. ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 23:06, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I disagree 100% with your statement. All the DVD is is a bio of Jake, that is already covered in his main article.  Merge anything absolutely necessary to his article.  The Benoit DVD page got deleted, so this and all the other low-selling DVDs about wrestlers should be gone too.  They also have their own pages.  Dannycali 00:59, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Deletion of similar articles isn't grounds for automatically carrying out the same action. ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 01:20, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete I have decided to change my mind from keep to delete, I mean how many books are out there and how many DVDs are out there? The way articles have been done you use or  at the bottom, yes you can explain about the information that comes from them. But in all honestly I feel we don't really need these articles as long as the DVD is just listed at the bottom of the actual biography article. Govvy 10:35, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the main Jake "The Snake" article and list the DVD in a "Filmography" or something like that on his page. Yes I did change my mind on this after long consideration on the matter MPJ-DK 21:02, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 'Merge/Redirect, take this content and put it on the actual wrestler's article. I'm not convinced that the DVD itself is notable on its own, but it's interesting enough to go on the actual person involved's page.  Lankiveil 09:50, 29 April 2007 (UTC).


 * Delete There is nothing about this particular DVD that warrants its own treatment outside of the subject's main article. Eusebeus 11:10, 29 April 2007 (UTC)