Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jake Brimmer


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The result was no consensus. North America1000 02:40, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Jake Brimmer

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He has not played a professional senior game at club or international level. Article fails WP:NFOOTBALL. Also fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 06:33, 21 October 2015 (UTC)


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 * Keep My initial thoughts are that he passes WP:GNG. There are two fairly in-depth sources quoted in the article, namely and . There is more coverage of him at  and, but admittedly those two are from the Liverpool FC and FFA websites, so whether they are truly independent of the subject is perhaps questionable. Finally there are other reports available, such as  and . AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 00:15, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep I think the sources found by AtHomeIn神戸 show WP:GNG is met even when ignoring the Liverpool and FFA articles. RonSigPi (talk) 23:59, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep I assumed the creation of this page would be valid as a similar page has been created for Panos Armenakas. I was unaware of the rule regarding how high status a player must get to have a page created, yet Armenakas' page directly correlates in that status to Brimmer's. (Both have only played youth/international youth) Thank you. Theman0799 (talk) 01:59, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - The difference here is that while Armenkas has had enough coverage to meet WP:GNG, Brimmer has not. — Jkudlick t c s 19:28, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete - Definitely fails WP:NFOOTY and I don't really agree that there is enough reliable third-party coverage to pass WP:GNG. Getting a 'wonderkid' article in a regional newspaper is hardly rare and I don't see a reason why we can't just wait until he makes a professional appearance before creating an article. Also the Armenakas argument is a violation of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS Spiderone  11:45, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 15:26, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY — Jkudlick t c s 19:28, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - Having articles written about the subject in publications on other continents as pointed out by meets the requirements laid out in WP:GNG. The article does require improvement. — Jkudlick t c s 20:05, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - meets (barely) WP:GNG with regional coverage referenced above. But wait, there's more, that's not regional and . Nfitz (talk) 21:56, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL JMHamo (talk) 22:25, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - Clearly fails WP:NSPORT, having not yet made his debut, and the coverage he has received is run-of-the-mill sports journalism insufficient for WP:GNG to be met. Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:19, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - The coverage that exists for Brimmer is similar, but seemingly not as much as Armenakas. I'm sure if given a few weeks, enough information could be sourced to make this article quite lengthy, but it does seem that arguing for a keep is probably a losing battle. - J man708 (talk) 04:30, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Edit - The more I look and read up, the more information is available from significant sources to be deemed viable. The article does need some tweaking, however. - J man708 (talk) 10:12, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep – There is fairly considerable coverage of this player (a lot of it specifically about Brimmer and enough to reference a complete article) so passes WP:GNG. Macosal (talk) 11:03, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. Indisputably fails WP:NFOOTBALL, don't think he gets past the WP:GNG either – one article in a trade publication and one article in a regional newspaper doesn't do it for me. I think Sir Sputnik's assessment of the coverage as "run-of-the-mill sports journalism" is pretty much spot on.  IgnorantArmies  (talk)  11:23, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - There are many more than the 2 currently-used sources out there. I'll try to add a bunch more in when I get a chance but a quick Google reveals a fairly significant number of articles written about him across various media. Macosal (talk) 12:59, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment I am a bit surprised by some of the comments above characterising the sources as "regional newspapers". Link [5] in my original entry above is from the highest-circulating daily newspaper in Australia and [6] is from The Australian, the biggest national newspaper in the country. Unless of course Australia as a whole is merely "regional" these days. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 00:02, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - Fails WP:NFOOTY, but there is plenty out there to satisfy GNG. Sure there is a lot returned by google about a couple of free kicks he scored, but there are also these amongst others:
 * Potted history of the player on the FFA website.
 * Substantial interview with the player from local newspaper.
 * Significant article exclusively on the player from a national sporting magazine.
 * Polish coverage of the player.
 * Indonesian coverage of the player
 * Maltese coverage of the player
 * Regional level coverage that goes far beyond simple transfer reporting.

There is a lot of "look at this wonderkid"-guff and reports of his free kicks, but there is also plenty of coverage from a local, regional, national and international perspective that goes beyond transfer talk and provides in depth commentary on and interviews with the player. Fenix down (talk) 11:59, 26 October 2015 (UTC)


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