Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jake W. Cameron


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. No consensus for deletion. Nakon 03:14, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Jake W. Cameron

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Only claim to fame is being mayor of a town of less than 100k residents. Prod was disputed by creator. OhNo itsJamie Talk 00:47, 10 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment Ohnoitsjamie sought to kill five Bossier City mayor articles in a period of seven minutes on Feb. 10. He moved against Lo Walker at the time .51; against Jake W. Cameron at .47, at Marvin Anding at .49, at Hoffman fuller at .46, and Burgess McCranie at .44. I suppose this means 12:51 a.m. for Mr. Walker but am not sure, maybe 12:51 p.m. How could he read and analyze five revised articles in seven minutes? Billy Hathorn (talk) 19:45, 12 February 2015 (UTC)


 * delete non-notable local politician per WP:POLITICIAN Deunanknute (talk) 01:52, 10 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment approximately an hour after the nominations for deletion by ohnoitsjamie, User:Deunanknute posted the line: delete non-notable local politician per WP:POLITICIAN. Several of those "delete" statements were made in the same minute of time. Billy Hathorn (talk) 19:59, 12 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep - This is a historic figure, not a contemporary candidate on the make who is using Wikipedia as an advertising vehicle — the WP:POLITICIAN high bar is meant to filter out those unelected candidates, not deceased historic figures. An elected mayor of a city of 60,000 and the subject of multiple pieces of substantial media coverage. Passes GNG. Carrite (talk) 12:48, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete the coverage I'm seeing seems pretty normal for a mid-size town mayor. Nwlaw63 (talk) 14:38, 10 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep The notability rules say nothing about mayors or the size of their cities. Portland, Maine, has a population 5,000 larger than Bossier City, but it has 24 mayors all deemed notable with their own Wikipedia articles. There are ten articles on Bossier City mayors, all but two recently submitted.

Bangor, Maine, a city about half the size of Bossier City, has eight mayors on Wikipedia and twelve city council members. Many times city council members are excluded from Wikipedia unless they have held other offices. There are no articles on Bossier City Council members.

Here is a listing of certain cities, followed by population, and number of mayoral Wikipedia articles:
 * Scranton, Pennsylvania, 76,000, 6
 * Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, 50,000, 6
 * Burlington, Vermont, 42,000, 6
 * Augusta, Maine, 19,000, 7
 * New London, Connecticut, 28,000, 5
 * Terre Haute, Indiana, 61,000, 4
 * Wasilla, Alaska, 8,000, 5
 * Hoboken, New Jersey, 50,000, 23
 * Juneau, Alaska, 31,000, 18
 * Key West, Florida, 25,000, 8
 * Medford, Oregon, 56,000, 12
 * Norwalk, Connecticut, 85,600, 87
 * East Orange, New Jersey, 64,000, 6
 * Taunton, Massachusetts, 56,000, 13
 * Wilmington, Delaware, 70,000, 10
 * Santa Fe, New Mexico, 70,000, 10
 * Ashland, Kentucky, 22,000, 27
 * Melbourne, Florida, 76,000, 33
 * Fairbanks, Alaska, 32,000, 7
 * Missoula, Montana, 66,000, 16
 * Lancaster, Pennsylvania, 59,000, 41

So Bossier City, Louisiana, 61,000 10 is consistent with the above listing.

Mr. Cameron left office in 1961. There are sources here showing his notability. All these Bossier City mayors should be considered notable, even if more material on them would be desirable though not yet located. Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:42, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * comment - Wikipedia also says notability is not determined by similar articles. See WP:WHATABOUTX.
 * Comment If you look closely at the articles about the mayors from those towns, you'll see that most of them went on to do more notable things (i.e., become a governor or member of congress). OhNo itsJamie  Talk 15:39, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Louisiana-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:18, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:18, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:18, 11 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep - WP:POLOUTCOMES notes that "Mayors of cities of at least regional prominence have usually survived AFD, although the article should say more than just 'Jane Doe is the mayor of Cityville'." This referenced article about a mayor of a city of regional prominence does say more than that. 24.151.10.165 (talk) 18:36, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * comment- is Bossier City, Louisiana regionally prominent? And again, how is this person notable? Deunanknute (talk) 18:55, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Note In Hoboken, New Jersey, smaller than Bossier City, seventeen of 22 mayors with Wikipedia articles served in no higher office; a few had been on the city council before becoming mayors. Five others also held other offices, mostly in the legislature. There is nothing in the Wikipedia rules about mayors and population of their cities. Billy Hathorn (talk) 19:28, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment as noted above, arguments about what already exist on Wikipedia are simply invalid as an argument about this particular article. Arguing based on what has already survived afd is similarly irrelevant. Nwlaw63 (talk) 15:12, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * comment These articles were probably all nominated at the same time for the same reason I've been commenting at the same time; for a group of very similar articles, it's sometimes easier to research them together. Also, please only add comments to the end of a discussion. Deunanknute (talk) 23:04, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Bossier City is not a significant enough city to grant notability to the mayors. The fact that some other even less major cities have way too many articles on their mayors only shows that wikipedia has not yet managed to consistently apply its guidelines, not that this mayor fits the guidelines. Additionally the guidelines for inclusion of politicians have become more stringent over time.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:52, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note many of the articles on mayors of Hoboken have been nominated for deletion.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:53, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hoboken mayors still on board. Your attempts to remove them have thus far failed to gain hardly any supporters.Billy Hathorn (talk) 16:11, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, N ORTH A MERICA 1000 14:22, 18 February 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Keep. With all respect to the good faith of every participant here, I sense a tendency to equate "city of regional importance" with "city I've heard of". From the standpoint of Wikipedians based in East and West Coast urban centers, or outside the USA, Louisiana occupies little mind space, and "Bossier City" is a ridiculous-sounding name. To those unfamiliar with the region, it doesn't evoke a city larger than (say) Harrisburg, Pennsylvania (which it is).  We should pay attention to the population numbers and avoid jumping to an impressionistic conclusion. Kestenbaum (talk) 21:48, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, N ORTH A MERICA 1000 17:18, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete He is NOT notable per WP:POLITICIAN, since he was not mayor of a city of regional prominence; Bossier City isn't even the parish seat. And population numbers are irrelevant; despite assertions that 50,000 or 100,000 or whatever population makes a mayor automatically notable, no such number has ever achieved consensus. It doesn't matter if some other mayors of some other cities have articles; WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid argument. His other offices (police chief, school board member) are likewise non-notable. He also fails WP:GNG since all coverage was routine and local: he completed a master plan, he honored veterans, etc. --MelanieN (talk) 02:32, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * P.S. I would also be OK with Richard Arthur Norton's suggestion (above) of a redirect to the city article (which surprisingly does not have a list of its former mayors, but it could). --MelanieN (talk) 03:06, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. (1) I've read a great many Wikipedia articles on specific cities, and very, very few of them feature a complete list of past mayors.  (2) It seems a bit disingenuous to complain that Bossier City isn't the parish seat, when it has the same name as the parish and contains the majority of the parish's population.  (3) Cities are typically ranked and classified based on population; I know there's no precise threshold, but the more people a city has, the more important it is.  If someone were to discuss the relative importance of say Phoenix and Tucson, the first thing mentioned would be their populations.  Kestenbaum (talk) 01:48, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, it would be the fact that Phoenix is the state capital. Although it's also true that Phoenix has THREE TIMES the population of Tucson and is the sixth largest city in the U.S. Anyhow, the guideline we use isn't population; it's "regional prominence". A city of 50,000 in Los Angeles County might not be regionally prominent; a city of 20,000 in Alaska might be. --MelanieN (talk) 15:29, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.