Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jalgaon State


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Black Kite (t)  00:43, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Jalgaon State

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Speedy Delete Jalgaon was never a Princely state of India. the google search result gives  zero result. The creator has given 5 ref of which 2 are article of wiki page it self, 2 links do not work and one link which works mentions clearly that Jalgaon was a Taluka directly under British rule. This article is a blatant hoax : G3 criteria of speedy delete. Futher, article it self says it was lost under The Ruler Bhoites lost their many such estates in current district of Jalgaon by The Bombay Personal Inams (Abolition) Act, 1952 on August 1, 1953. clearly indicating it was an Inam land or jagir and not a Princely State. Jethwarp (talk) 07:21, 14 November 2011 (UTC) Jethwarp (talk) 07:21, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment : I had nominated it first time few minutes back using twinkle but since there was some error did it again, as 1 nomination page was not created at all.Jethwarp (talk) 07:24, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Speedy Delete - a surprise this one, a HOAX from India, but such it is. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:57, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Speedy Delete- WP:HOAX Tarheel95 (talk) 14:00, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 14:42, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Speedy Delete - A hoax article. --Madison-chan (talk) 22:08, 14 November 2011 (UTC)Madison-chan


 * Comment. Don't forget to adjust Jalgaon accordingly. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:34, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've deleted that entire history section because of and other reasons. Despite seeing a pattern in User:Starrahul's edits, I continue to AGF but his contributions need to be looked at closely for WP:POV, WP:PEACOCK, WP:OR, WP:Sources, etc. Zuggernaut (talk) 03:54, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Update : Looks like the same user has brought the section back. Since I voluntarily stick to 1RR, I am not going to revert but I might tag the section/article. Zuggernaut (talk) 03:59, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

All should note that Jalgaon was Princely Saranjam equivalent to Princely state. Many Marathi sources described it and i will dissolve all the queries regarding this.--Starrahul (talk) 11:43, 15 November 2011 (UTC)--Starrahul (talk) 11:43, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable. A different, completely re-written article with a different title, sans WP:POV, WP:PEACOCK, WP:OR and adhering to WP:RS, WP:MOS should be acceptable provided its notability can be established. Zuggernaut (talk) 02:15, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: As you all claim it to be a hoax, be thoughtful before deleting it. The information stated there, even if at all false, seems to be of an extremely imaginative brain, and hence can very easily be true. Does anyone have Who's Who in India,Burma,Ceylone? -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 21:20, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks Mr. Kulkarni

I have such records in Marathi books and in the Peshwa Daftar which was not readed yet can illuminate it. Firstly it is true that Jalgaon is Saranjam under British rule with aristocrat of this area being Political Saranjam Inamdar named Bhoite, a historical maratha family. Much evidence is that current jalgaon has a fortress known as bhoite gadhi. to check the records there is municipality having established in 1864 or so having presidents from Same maratha Clan. there is Bhoite nagar sub urban in the city. Marathi researchers of Khandesh pointed out that there is need to be studies of history records of families like Bhoite of Jalgaon, Kadam Bande, Pawar of bahal, Bargal of Taloda. So saranjams like gajendragad, non salute estate like phaltan can be termed as states or feudal states then why not jalgaon? I will made it clear that this article must sustain on wikipidia in short period being an originator. lets no t delete it and one thing others can ask is that turn the name of article to Jalgaon Saranjam besides deletin it.--Starrahul (talk) 13:46, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment : Dear Starrahul. Instead of putting your arguments in this debate. Do something to improve your article. Jalgaon was never a princely state. If it was a Saranjam then as stated above by you then admit your mistake and change the article with reliable on-line verifiable citation and notes. Remove titles like Maharaja - added by you - obviously for vanity purpose. Please understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia. And anyone who comes to see any wikipedia article, we wish he should find correct and verifiable information - not something like a HOAX you created. The title it self is a Hoax - misleading Jalgaon State. Now you are arguing that since Phaltan can have article of Phaltan State why not Jalgaon State - now see there are so many verifiable books that confirm Phaltan as a Princely State. and none mention  Jalgaon as Princely State. If you want to salvage your article do something to rewrite it, change its name give verifiable citations.Jethwarp (talk) 03:46, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well not all claim the article to be a hoax. My reason for deletion is that the topic is not notable since there aren't the number of sources needed to determine notability (see WP:Notability). Zuggernaut (talk) 03:59, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, dear Zuggernaut, I consider it to be HOAX. Other people opinion may vary from Hoax to Notability to Original Research. My reason for it being hoax is that it is not a Princely State. Also how r u supposed to find sources for anything that is hoax. As quiet well said by you notability and sources are also the issues. That is why I pointed to the creator that he should do complete re-write and change of name giving verifiable citations, as was I think earlier suggested by you also.Jethwarp (talk) 04:14, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
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