Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James A. Hall


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The result was KEEP. No support for deletion apart from nominator. postdlf (talk) 20:07, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

James A. Hall

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No assertion of notability in the article. Google search turns up his name in association with Dick Goodwin, but nothing significant even then. Notability isn't inherited, and without playing drums for Goodwin, I don't see why the general reader would want to know about a teacher of music who does a little session work.  SilkTork  ✔Tea time  13:07, 2 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Jim's bio serves several purposes. James A. Hall, as jazz guitarist, who goes by "Jim Hall," commonly gets confused with the more famous jazz guitarist Jim Hall (musician), ad naseum.  Developing a bio to clarify common confusion between between notable person and a superstar is worthy.  Wikipedia serves an important role in distinguishing Ray Brown, the bassist, from Ray Brown the jazz trumpeter (with Stan Kenton), from Ray Brown, the blues guy, from Ray Brown the trumpter with Earth, Wind and Fire.  Granted, all are notable.  But, Hall, as an influential music educator — at the university level — makes a strong candidate.  As a jazz percussionist, Jim is notable.  In Tom Lord's Jazz Discography, there are 5 Jim Halls, 1 Jimmy Hall, and and 6 John Halls.  For what it's worth, I do not have strong feelings either way.  But you should know that I created the page because I myself was confused and thought that publishing knowledge that I gained might be useful to musicologist and others, particularly as years slip away. — Eurodog (talk) 14:20, 2 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - In addition to the rationale outlined above, as a Distinguished Professor and Distinguished Professor Emeritus seems to fully meet notability guidelines (5. The person holds or has held a named chair appointment or "Distinguished Professor" appointment at a major institution of higher education and research (or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon).). Regarding inherited notability, the idea, as I understand it, is to prevent fans writing articles on their boy band heroes, especially when they have no independent career. In Hall's case, his background as a sideman with several notable musicians far exceeds this concept of "inherited". Regards, --Technopat (talk) 15:21, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep per Technopat. Strip out everything except his distinguished professorate at a major university, and you've still got a notable guy.  Deleting this article on other grounds would be like using WP:POLITICIAN to delete an article about a smalltown mayor who'd previously served in his national legislature — "other grounds" and the mayor's spot don't detract from professorate and national legislator, respectively.  Nyttend (talk) 19:11, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
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 * Comment. There appears to be a misreading of the nature of notability. There needs to be significant coverage in reliable sources, not just a name on a list. We do not have articles on every professor (UK) or distinguished professor (USA) as not every person who is thus acknowledged internally by their university is also of general interest. The point at which we determine they are notable enough is when an independent reliable source writes about that person. While a university's own professor list is proof that a person is a professor at that university, it is not proof in itself of notability. It should also be recognised that his university comes outside the top 100 nationally in all rankings so is not a major university.  SilkTork  ✔Tea time  09:20, 3 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 20:00, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Note: There has been more trivia added to this article since nominating, but nothing significant to prove notability. No reliable sources have been added. Fails WP:BIO (no "significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject"); fails WP:PROF (meets none of the listed criteria as person is not distinguished in their field, and does not work at a major establishment); fails WP:NMUSIC (does not meet any of the criteria there); fails WP:N (the Notability policy - the person has not "gained sufficiently significant attention by the world at large"). This is not a count the number of ivoters decision, it's a look at the policy and guidelines decision, and it becomes a relatively easy decision. Should not need to be relisted if article, sourcing and guidelines are examined closely.  SilkTork  ✔Tea time  11:44, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
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