Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Allen (murder victim)


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The result was speedily deleted by User:Orangemike per CSD G7 (one author who has requested deletion or blanked the page). (non-admin closure) • Gene93k (talk) 00:15, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

James Allen (murder victim)

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No indication of notability. No lasting coverage in reliable sources beyond the initial news article. The author removed my prod because it was a "historical event notable enough for coverage in its own page in the maryland state archives", butthat page does not cover Allen in any detail. Google Books found some results about an unrelated James Allen that was also lynched in 1894, but not a shred of coverage of this one. Huon (talk) 18:53, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Maryland-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:58, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:58, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep: That the Maryland State Archives believes it is notable enough to devote a web page to this heinous crime should be enough. Most activities in 1894 are not googleable, but one could easily argue that every documented lynching is notable.   Is there such a thing as a non-notable lynching?   Black lives matter.  The Dissident Aggressor 19:27, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete: as the only contributor to this article.  Upon further research, it appears that this man was not lynched, but rather legally executed by hanging.  I've added a newspaper article that gives a detailed account of this execution and dispels the myth that his death was a lynching.  The Dissident Aggressor 22:04, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I really hate to say this, but...from what I can tell, Mr Allen was just (!!!) another murder victim; like so many who died in the Holocaust, or during the Reign of Terror, or in the Killing Fields, or on 9/11, he does not automatically meet notability criteria solely because of the horrific and unjust circumstances under which he was killed. If we have a list of lynching victims, he can be included on that, but the meager information provided is really not enough to support an article. Regretful delete, unless more information can be provided. DS (talk) 19:39, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
 * You mean his lynching wasn't popular enough? We're talking about a documented, racially motivated murder of a targeted individual.  Quite an encyclopedia you are here to build.   The Dissident Aggressor 19:42, 12 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete (although I agree with DS that it's regretful...) - The page at the Maryland State Archives lists his death as a "possible lynching." It appears that they are basing that off a passing mention in this article about a different lynching, where it states that James Allen was "recently hanged for a similar offense." Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's all we have in the way of information about this event. The fact that James Allen doesn't meet notability standards is not a reflection of the importance of his death. Rather, our content needs to be verifiable and the subject's notability goes hand in hand with being able to write verifiable articles. We regretfully don't have enough information in the form of reliable sources to publish an article about Allen's death. --Nick&#8288;—&#8288;Contact/Contribs 21:32, 12 June 2015 (UTC)


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