Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James B. Kraft


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Black Kite (talk) 08:23, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

James B. Kraft

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Does not appear to meet either WP:GNG or WP:POLITICIAN. Onel5969 (talk) 15:33, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Maryland-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:10, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:11, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep Significant local official in Baltimore, a major xcity. Billy Hathorn (talk) 11:46, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Although I accept that Baltimore is a large and internationally prominent enough city that its city councillors could pass WP:NPOL with properly written and reliably sourced articles, this article as written is neither of those things. It's essentially a prosified version of a résumé, relying entirely on primary sources and deadlinks, which offers no real substance and cites no valid referencing — but no level of government, not even the ones that do constitute an "automatic" NPOL pass, confers any entitlement to keep that kind of article. Delete as a WP:NUKEANDPAVE, with no prejudice against recreation in the future if it can be written and sourced properly. Bearcat (talk) 21:32, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Tone and sourcing is an editing matter, not a notability matter. Carrite (talk) 20:50, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * We don't keep unsourced or badly sourced articles about living people regardless of how much unsourced notability is claimed. In a BLP, reliable sourcing has to be present in the article right off the top, and the article does not get any "allowed to exist on purely primary sourcing" exemption just because it makes an unsourced claim of notability — especially when that claim is not universally accepted as "always an automatic NPOL keep" in the first place. City council, even in major metropolitan global cities, is not a level of government where anybody gets to keep a bad article just because they exist — it's a level of government where the substance of the content, and the volume and quality of sourcing, are the things that constitute the difference between a keep and a delete. Bearcat (talk) 17:30, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Keep - Elected member of the Baltimore City Council, a major metropolitan area in the United States. Carrite (talk) 20:49, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - Unless I missed something, do not see where being the member of a city council, regardless of how large the metropolis, qualifies under the WP:POLITICIAN. If I have missed it, please let me know, and as the nominator, I'll withdraw the nomination.  But I don't see it. Onel5969 (talk) 23:39, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Being a member of a city council does not give someone automatic notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:12, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 01:00, 24 March 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:12, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
 * delete Just a councilman, which for Baltimore is insufficient. Mangoe (talk) 12:54, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:NPOL because the politician needs to be part of a federal gov't and Kraft does not appear to be. --Mr. Guye (talk) 23:04, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
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