Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Barrett (Civil War)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Battle of Picacho Pass. (non-admin closure) Alpha3031 (t • c) 08:50, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

James Barrett (Civil War)

 * – ( View AfD View log  Stats )

Non-notable soldier. 1st Lieutenant is a long ways from passing WP:NSOLDIER. All the coverage I'm finding is passing references stating that he commanded a 13-man detachment at the Battle of Picacho Pass and that he was killed in the fighting. Since the coverage is limited to that, I don't see how the subject passes GNG. Theoretically, this figure could be redirected to Battle of Picacho Pass except this title would not make a good redirect, as (Civil War) is ambiguous. Deletion is probably best then. Hog Farm (talk) 03:44, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm (talk) 03:44, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm (talk) 03:44, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arizona-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm (talk) 03:44, 7 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm (talk) 03:44, 7 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Wikipedia is WP:NOTMEMORIAL. We don't allot an article to just any lieutenant killed in the Civil War. Even colonels aren't guaranteed that. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:36, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Battle of Picacho Pass since he was the Union commander of the only Civil War battle in Arizona and is mentioned there. I don't see the problem with the disambiguator - something is needed since there are several James Barretts. MB 05:41, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * - The issue is that (Civil War) is ambiguous. It's unclear if it's referring to a James Barrett who fought in the American Civil War, English Civil War, Spanish Civil War, etc. If this closes in redirection, I'd recommend that the closing admin move the page to James Barrett (American Civil War) before redirecting. Hog Farm (talk) 22:06, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * That's really not necessary since there are no other James Barretts that fought in other civil wars. The consensus certainly seems like there is not enough notability to keep the article, but there is a clear and obvious target for a redirect and he should be listed at James Barrett (disambiguation). Per WP:NCPDAB, the disambiguator should be a single noun if possible. I would suggest James Barrett (soldier) but that could be too confusing with James Barrett (colonel), so perhaps James Barrett (calvalry officer) if you really don't like the existing title. MB 00:42, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete completely non-notable. Mztourist (talk) 05:47, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Can be mentioned elsewhere if important. Srijanx22 (talk) 05:50, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Battle of Picacho Pass - Changing !vote from Keep - After a Google search, I found sources and expanded the article based on references found. According to Find A Grave, Barrett was a 2nd lieutenant. Fort Barrett, a Civil War fort, was named after him. Also, the Arizona Pioneer Historical Society and the Southern Pacific Railroad Co. erected a 12-foot memorial and gravestone in 1928 at the site of his death. The stone and bronze grave marker were later moved to Picacho Peak State Park in Arizona and placed along the Civil War Trail. Based on ample coverage of the subject, plus the memorial and the Civil War Fort named after him, the subject clearly passes WP:GNG and WP:BIO. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 07:09, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Find a Grave isn't an RS. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:25, 7 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete The added details are about the battle, not this chap. He doesn't meet the requirements of GNG, ie significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:39, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Battle of Picacho Pass, non notable outside of his capacity commanding troops at the battle. Not enough coverage to meet WP:GNG or [[WP:NPERSON]; according to GBooks he was the first Californian to "be killed in action against the Rebels" and there are some passing mentions here and here, but nothing is in depth. [[WP:NSOLDIER]] #4 requires they "played an important role in a significant military event such as a major battle or campaign;" but he fails to meet that as the battle wasn't particularly major and anything that merits mentioning about him can be said in the battle's article. Eddie891 Talk Work 14:41, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete does not meet notability guidelines for soldiers.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:17, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. User:AuthorAuthor (User talk:AuthorAuthor) 13:08, 7 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Battle of Picacho Pass per MB & Eddie891. Spleodrach (talk) 07:54, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - Unfortunately, the soldier was as ordinary as all the other soldiers who fought in the battle as him, which makes him fail WP:MILL. 🌴Koridas🌴 (Negotiate) 20:50, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Battle of Picacho Pass per the arguments above. Best, GPL93 (talk) 21:28, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.