Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Barron (cricketer)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of Otago representative cricketers. Regardless of the weight we give NCRIC, there is consensus here against a standalone article. Vanamonde (Talk) 01:00, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

James Barron (cricketer)

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One of many cricket articles that fail WP:GNG big time. After four other AfDs on cricket players I started ended all in "redirect" (123), 4), I redirected some other articles with the same lack of individual notability. This was reverted for being "pointy disruption" by the article creator. So I'll nominate them for AfD instead, with no objection from my side to either deletion or redirection. I nominate them individually, as it may turn out that, despite my searches for sources, some of these can be shown to be actually notable. Fram (talk) 14:04, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 14:04, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 14:04, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 14:04, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Passes WP:NCRIC. The nom made a recent failed RfC to remove the said notability requirements. Since then, they have tried to circumnavigate this by making mass redirects instead. The nom has said that they "have no beef with Lugnuts", however following their failed RfC, have seemingly gone out of their way to target artciles I've worked on. Another RfC on sporting articles closed with the comments "As with the RfC on secondary school notability, this should not be an invitation to "flood AfD with indiscriminate or excessive nominations". And yet, there have been 25+ AfDs logged by Fram in a 15/20 minute window, indicating no WP:BEFORE was used.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 14:23, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * For my reply, see here. Fram (talk) 14:34, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * There's no qualms in creating them, as they meet the notability criteria, which you tried and failed to get rid of. And this is the issue.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 14:36, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Meets WP:NCRIC. Nominator didn't do a WP:BEFORE to show the opposite. The nominator nominated (automatically) a large amount of cricketeers. It would have been better to made a bunch of them in one nomination. As seen above, the nominator is not willing the write a reply at everey AfD. SportsOlympic (talk) 15:50, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You have posted the same incorrect claims about me (which are not relevant to keeping or deleting this article anyway) at all these AfDs. I hope you will be kind enough to take into account my answer at one of them and correct all your statements accordingly. Fram (talk) 15:58, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Meets WP:CRIN. He played in 7 first-class matches. There is a strong likelihood that there is a full bio of this chap hanging about somewhere, considering that he died in 1990, theres bound to be newspaper sources at the very least. There is a very competent editor who contributes to articles on NZ cricketers who, again, should really have been consulted first. StickyWicket (talk) 22:52, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Feel free to contact them then. Fram (talk) 08:36, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * such flippancy doesn't really help, and not bothering to do something so basic afdwise may cause editors to wonder if the nominator has bothered to carry out a WP:BEFORE on this and the other 20+ articles that they nominated today. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:54, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, claiming that I should have contacted some unnamed editor isn't really helpful of course (and the onus on contacting the editors and improving the articles is normally on those undoing a redirect for lack of notability anyway). WP:BEFORE doesn't mean contacting other editors. I had listed the first group of articles (those starting with "A" at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports) on 24 December, in a discussion where the "keep" voters were present; I had checked for sources, found none, and no one of the cricket editors showed me to be wrong (at the discussion or by improving the articles). I did a WP:BEFORE check for sources when I redirected these and others. I improved two who had similar contents (few matches, no non-database sources), Roy Blair and Simon Beare, which I couldn't have done if I didn't do a WP:BEFORE check. Please don't judge people on superficial appearances and on the attacking claims made by the first keep voters. Fram (talk) 08:35, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * thanks for the explanation. Coolabahapple (talk) 23:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * ps. and apologies for my brusqueness. Coolabahapple (talk) 23:49, 22 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete totally fails GNG which is the minimum standard for all articles. Any article that fails to meet GNG should be deleted.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:06, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:GNG. Non-notable cricketer. Störm   (talk)  21:56, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge and delete to the list of otago representative players. Death not mention in Wisden 1991 so not notable enough for own page so hence merge.Davidstewartharvey (talk) 19:56, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of Otago representative cricketers. I'm not connived that seven matches means that we know for sure that there are sources to provide anything else here. If there are, then the article can be re-created easily enough. Blue Square Thing (talk) 17:34, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of Otago representative cricketers. Trivially passes NCRIC, which by consensus is a very weak and unreliable guideline, but fails all meaningful criteria due to apparent lack of substantial coverage in non-database sources. wjematherplease leave a message... 12:26, 25 January 2021 (UTC)


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