Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Cook University School of Medicine and Dentistry


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The result was   keep.  MBisanz  talk 04:56, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

James Cook University School of Medicine and Dentistry

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fails WP:ORG. nothing particularly noteworthy to justify a separate article for this School. almost no third party coverage as in Google news search. Michellecrisp (talk) 23:53, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions.   --  Bduke    (Discussion)  00:09, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep a medical school of a major public U. that is the only medical school on the North half of Australia is surely notable, despite the lack of sources attesting to this fact. Would change to Keep if such sources (external to the school) were provided. JJL (talk) 00:20, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment "only medical school on the North half of Australia " surely this can be mentioned as one sentence in James Cook University? Michellecrisp (talk) 01:02, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak Delete - I think the question is, has the medical school, apart from the larger school in general, distinguished itself in any noteworthy way? Does this count as distinguishing coverage, for example? I'm saying "weak delete" for now for sort of the same but converse reason as JJL above. Jlg4104 (talk) 01:39, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.   —TerriersFan (talk) 01:50, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep all medical schools (and law schools) of universities are notable, whether called schools, faculties, colleges, or whatever. . There is always enough sourced material to say. It has sometimes been disputed for business schools and the like ( but, while disputed, the consensus hold that they too are notable), but this is the first time I have even heard it even questioned for a medical school. It is so absurd a nomination that I'll defer argument unless it becomes necessary. DGG (talk) 01:56, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Where is the policy which states " all medical schools (and law schools) of universities are notable"? Michellecrisp (talk) 02:02, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I had the same question as Michellecrisp. By what logic do we say that since some educational institutions merit inclusion, therefore all do? I thought the WP approach was to test all cases against some established (but not in stone) criterion. Hence the constant references, e.g., to "notability." These criteria trump subjectivity, and they trump such logic as it appears you're using, DGG, unless I am mistaken on some point. Jlg4104 (talk) 11:39, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Redirect to the university. No evidence it's independently notable, but it's certainly a valid search term. StarM  02:09, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - there is enough there for a stand alone article. Merging with the Uni article will only clutter that one further. Passes WP:N as far as I can tell, so keep and expand is best option.--Sting  Buzz Me...   02:24, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - has sources that meet WP:ORG. TerriersFan (talk) 02:52, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment DGG's claim of inherent notability for all medical schools (and law schools) should be confined to accredited schools, methinks. There are remarkably few real medical schools in the US; 158, and about ten times that many in the whole rest of the world. Having an article on each one will not constitute a burden to Wikipedia. 66.57.190.166 (talk) 06:42, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge/Redirect to James Cook University. It is a constituent part of the University with little if any autonomy from its parent body. It is not a graduate school, like say, Harvard Medical School (although graduates can attend), but a faculty the same as the Arts faculty, the Business faculty, the Science faculty etc. etc, none of which are independently notable. I am interested to know why AfDs for medical faculties are more or less "absurd" than other faculties. -- Mattinbgn\talk 08:23, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * the details of the degree of autonomy are not relevant. Harvard, FWIW, is almost unique in the essentially total autonomy of the various Schools. In general, when "faculty" is used here, as in the sense of a distinct primary part of a university, I think the article can usually hold if the university is significant enough--the medical and law ones so far always have, because their greater significance within a university is well recognized.DGG (talk) 05:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment  medical and law ones so far always have because their greater significance within a university is well recognized that may be true in some countries but not always the case in Australia. this School is actually one of the smallest and youngest Medical schools in Australia. Secondly, it still must meet WP:ORG, simply being a medical or law school is automatically notable is not a stated WP guideline or policy. Michellecrisp (talk) 06:32, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


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