Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Grafton Rogers


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The result was keep. Star  Mississippi  15:20, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

James Grafton Rogers

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Biography of a person not properly referenced as passing WP:NPOL. The claim here is that he was an Assistant Secretary of State, but there are numerous problems with reifying that into an "inherent" notability claim: firstly, it's not a cabinet-level position that would satisfy NPOL #1 in and of itself, but a bureaucratic position where he would have to be shown to clear WP:GNG on the sourcing; secondly, there are a few dozen assistant secretary of state positions for different areas of expertise in the US State Department, not just one; thirdly, neither the overview United States Assistant Secretary of State nor any of the spinoff articles for the individual positions list his name at all, and even the one acceptable source in the article just says he was an assistant secretary of state without clarifying assistant secretary of state for what either. And for sourcing, we have two primary sources that are not support for notability at all and just one obituary in a legitimate WP:GNG-worthy newspaper upon his death, which is a start but not in and of itself enough. For added bonus, this was first created by an editor who's long since been blocked from editing Wikipedia for disruptive editing, and already had an arbitration ban on creating new articles, in part (but not exclusively) because of his persistence in creating articles without regard to Wikipedia notability standards, even before he was permamently blocked. Nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have a lot more than just one newspaper obituary for GNG-worthy sourcing. Bearcat (talk) 16:13, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Colorado. Bearcat (talk) 16:13, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: After analyzing the sources available on newspapers.com, this is what I came to: as far as I can see, there is no source besides the NYT obit that offers WP:SIGCOV . However, there are hundreds or thousands of mentions on newspapers.com; while this normally wouldn't confer notability, these mentions span 50 years, from 1919 to his death in 1971. In conjunction with a New York Times obit that was published 40 years after his serving as assistant secretary of state (1931-1933), there tell me that there is an indication of notability here. In addition to his role in the state department, he was on the Hoover Commission, was the primary contributor to the founding of Rocky Mountain National Park, and is a consistently cited source regarding the wartime activities of OSS, in addition of course to his academia roles. There are indications on GBooks that offline literary sources exist. Curbon7 (talk) 01:22, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah right after I hit publish, I found the WP:SIGCOV on him that I knew had to exist: . Curbon7 (talk) 01:23, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep The subject has sources that make support for inclusion in Wikipedia. Aside from the standard media coverage. IrishOsita (talk) 03:24, 3 June 2022 (UTC)


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