Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James H.B. Ayer


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The result was keep the consensus is that he was mayor of a town that has reached a large enough size for him to be considered notable. (non-admin closure). TonyBallioni (talk) 01:08, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

James H.B. Ayer

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Per WP:NPOL. Further notability above and beyond a position in office is needed for a WP:BLP. Additional reliable sources could not be located. Comatmebro User talk:Comatmebro 06:02, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:38, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Massachusetts-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:38, 9 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep: Quite leaving aside that WP:BLP has no relevance to a subject who died over 150 years ago, I rather think that WP:POLITICIAN would support the presumptive notability of a man who was mayor of what was, at the time, a city in the top 25 in population in the United States and a national leader in industry. That a casual Google search wasn't fruitful is unsurprising, and commend other permutations such as "James Ayer" + Lowell.   Ravenswing   20:37, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep: I created this article as it is consistent with the goals of WikiProject: Lowell, Massachusetts. As stated by Ravenswing, a mayor of Lowell, by virtue of holding that office should be considered notable.  Please see the Wikipedia list "List of Mayors of Lowell, Massachusetts".  You will find that prior to the creation of this page, James H.B. Ayer was the first mayor of the city without a page.  Thank you for the consideration and discussion of this page. Bill McKenna (talk) 03:25, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep; 100K is large enough for a mayor to earn a presumption of notability per WP:NPOL. Yes, the article does need improvement, but for a mayor who served in 1851 you're not going to find a ton of sourcing just sitting out there on Google News — but that doesn't mean sourcing won't exist for a mayor of a place that large, it just means you have to dig more deeply into archival sources. Bearcat (talk) 13:37, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Lowell had well under 50,000 people when Ayer was mayor. We should have much better sourcing than the local historical society to keep the article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:37, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter what population a place had at the time a person was mayor; even New York City once had a population below 50,000 too, but we still keep articles about the mayors it had before it crossed that particular tipping point. What matters is that the population it has now is large enough to demonstrate that there is some substantive interest in the place's history. Bearcat (talk) 22:16, 13 November 2016 (UTC)


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