Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Hoffmann


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 20:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

James Hoffmann

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Even if he were the most famous "barista" in the universe it still does not make him notable enough to be in an encyclopedia. Furthermore, the article reads somewhat like an advertisement for his coffee shop, "Square Mile Roasters," thus making it spam. Yardleyman (talk) 22:13, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Amended claim. Also, the line about him releasing "electronica" music does not make him notable under WP:MUSIC requirements. Yardleyman (talk) 02:44, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Second Amended claim. If one looks at the edit history of the article you can see that the article has been heavily edited by a User:Jimseven, who has added the spam advertising and the references to Hoffmann's garage band.  That user is probably none other than Mr. Hoffmann himself. Yardleyman (talk) 16:56, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Meets WP:BIO for notability, meets general standards as well as having won award for top barista in the world. There are plenty of independent references for it.  The article could be improved but there is no justification for deletion. Drawn Some (talk) 22:36, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. The above poster is mistaken in stating that the article "[m]eets WP:BIO for notability. . . ."  A WP:BIO general requirement for 'any biography' (there obviously is no category for "barista") states that:


 * "The person has received a notable award or honor, or has been often nominated for them"

As stated in the deletion nomination, being the top barista in the world is not a notable award or honour. Yardleyman (talk) 01:11, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment about references. The user voting keep is mistaken when he says "there are plenty of independent references for it.'''  There are 4 references listed -- one of which is the subject's own blog (who cares), another "reference" is the home page advertisement of his coffee shop (again who cares), and the other two are general home pages for the barista championship programmes. Yardleyman (talk) 17:57, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * why is it not a notable award or honour? Best in the world sounds notable to me. Duffbeerforme (talk) 13:53, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Response. Because being the "best in the world" at something is only notable when that something itself is a notable, significant career, category, or calling.  If someone named as the "best barista" in the world is deemed notable enough for an encylopedia article then why not have a biographical article on "Wal Mart Employee of the Year"?  Yardleyman (talk) 16:25, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. That is a ridiculous analogy. This article subject has been judged the best in the world regardless of his employer. Anyone who had been independently adjudged to be, and reported by reliable sources as being, the world's "retail employee of the year", "refuse collector of the year" or "brain surgeon of the year" would be equally notable. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:27, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.  --  J mundo 02:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  --  J mundo 02:29, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment While personally not being able to answer the question 'Do you want espresso, latte or americano?' with anything more than 'I want a COFFEE', the World Title for baristas seems to be notable enough for an apparently Moldovan site to record the recent victory of another Brit in it - http://social.moldova.org/news/briton-named-worlds-top-barista-198271-eng.html And I don't regard the article here as being particularly spammy. (If he uses tobacco infused ganaches I won't be going there anyway - whatever a ganache is. Sounds like a cross between an adult practice and waterproof footwear.) Peridon (talk) 19:50, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Have just had time to look up Ganache. Sounds delicious - without people adding tobacco to it.... 195.128.251.153 (talk) 19:07, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong Delete. I agree that winning a 2007 barista-off does not confer sufficient "notability" for an article here.  The article seems a sly advert for a "businessman" trying to schlep his coffeehouse and CDs. Silk Knot (talk) 00:46, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep No real justification has been given for saying that winning World Barista Championship is not a notable award. The wikipedia article says (sourced?) it is the current premier barista competition. No reason apart form personal bias has said that being is barista can not be notable. (I have removed unsorced statements about his music and his coffeehouse. Spam in an article is a reason to improve, not a reson to delete) Duffbeerforme (talk) 13:17, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: The above user has earned numerous warnings for disruption and sockpuppeting. Yardleyman (talk) 02:54, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have never been warned for sockpuppeting. As for the warnings for disruptive editing any idiot can issue warnings with no valid reason. The "warnings" I have been given have been baseless and investigating administrators have stated I have done nothing wrong. And Yardleyman should stick to the topic. Duffbeerforme (talk) 06:46, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.