Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Hoffmann (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Although the article was nominated by a sockpuppet, there was enough of a consensus generated by the other participants. \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 07:01, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

James Hoffmann
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Classic case of someone famous only for one event. No relevant coverage of this individual in reliable secondary sources are exant. see http://news.google.co.uk/archivesearch?um=1&ned=uk&hl=en&q=%22James+Hoffmann%22+coffee&cf=all and WP:BLP1E Baileyquarter (talk) 03:25, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
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 * Redirect to World Barista Championship. This event doesn't seem to be sufficiently important to warrant articles on winners. Same goes for the 2009 winner. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 19:18, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep World champion, refs with coverage of Hoffmann  . Duffbeerforme (talk) 21:22, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Previous AFD was created by a sock puppet. This AFD was created by a new editor with one edit prior to edits related to Hoffmann with this afd being made within 1 day of the editors first edit. Duffbeerforme (talk) 21:31, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. I was about to take this to AfD myself. Classic BLP1E; he's only known for the single award, and does not meet general notability guidelines. Fences  &amp;  Windows  00:57, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * In what way does Hoffmann not meet the general notability guidelines? Which of the three (multiple) links I provided are not significant coverage or reliable or Independent of the subject? Duffbeerforme (talk) 16:16, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No-one is disputing whether the sources are reliable or independent, but that doesn't stop the person being notable for only one event. Two of the three sources directly relate to the World Barista Championship, and the other indirectly refers to it. Under BLP1E, in these sort of situations, the information about the individual is generally better conveyed on the Wikipedia page of the event the individual was noted for. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 17:10, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * My question was about the claim he does not meet general notability guidelines, not about BLP1E. Duffbeerforme (talk) 17:16, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. WP:BLP1E. Niteshift36 (talk) 05:19, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Suggestions Hoffmann should not have an article due to BLP1E should result in a redirect instead of a delete. Duffbeerforme (talk) 17:28, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. In common with just about everyone else who wins this competition he was unknown before and unknown just after, if they are known at all. This competition is so prestigious the prize is a coffee grinder and espresso machine (all be it very good ones.) I am willing to bet that almost no one even knows of a World Coffee Bar-man Competition. This is nothing more than a news event so WP:BLP1E applies here. If he becomes a multiple winner then perhaps an item would be more appropriate then. Trevor Marron (talk) 22:37, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Nominator indefblocked as a sockpuppet of Wiki_brah. – iride  scent  10:09, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What a long history of trolling. How was that uncovered? Anyhow, I'm happy to adopt this nomination, so it doesn't fall for procedural reasons. Fences  &amp;  Windows  22:46, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The latest sock was the clear quack from the nominiation of this article, see above comment. Others have been hearing quacks from previous experience. I missed where the first revelation came from. Interestingly while Jean was trying to get James Hoffmann delete it also created an article for Gwilym Davies (barista). Yes I edited that article (unsoured personal info) believing that it was the same person behind both accounts. I maintained a consistent "world champion" view unchanged by trolling. I have not (till now) disputed BLP1E. Winning a world championships where you have to actively enter and try to win and you gain a public profile and continue to cash in on that profile (succesfully to an extent, the press seems to show). Such an active attempt needs no protection. Coverage of his activites, after winning, as being the World champion suggest more than just the news. Duffbeerforme (talk) 18:21, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I have to agree, this winner has slipped into obscurity as have most. The exception is actually Gwilym Davies (barista) who has now got several acceptable secondary references, and although I tagged his article for PROD in the past my attitude about it has changed somewhat in the last week or so. Incidentally, James Hoffmann is Gwilym Davies' coffee roaster! Trevor Marron (talk) 23:32, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
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