Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James K Baker


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. The consensus of the participants in this discussion was that the subject is notable without even considering the product he created. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  16:49, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

James K Baker

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I don't think that the person in notable under Wikipedia Policy. Max Viwe |  Wanna chat with me?  15:55, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete under A7 guidelines, as well as recreation of previously deleted material (check the logs). Fletch the Mighty (talk) 15:58, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Removing my !vote. Should've checked if the guy was real or not. Still think the article is barely even at stub-level, though, and a redirect might be the better option. Fletch the Mighty (talk) 16:43, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Redirect or Delete He was a creator of the Dragon NaturallySpeaking thingy, which has an article here. As he is credited there for that and this doesn't add anything much of interest, I'd suggest redirecting to there. Someone may want to look him up, but unless a good deal more info comes up suddenly, there's no point in this article being independent. Peridon (talk) 16:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - at least so far as the notability of the person under question. See Dragon NaturallySpeaking for the software that this person wrote, which may apply in terms of notability by itself.  A quick Google Search does bring his name up in terms of several sources of information for this person, including a peer reviewed paper that is something of additional note.  That the article in question is poorly written and was written by as green of a new user as possible is true, but this isn't something to slap a AfD request on within 10 minutes of having the article created in the first place.  Notability can be established by at least two or more sources that are clearly not self-published as well.  --Robert Horning (talk) 16:20, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Without even considering Dragon NaturallySpeaking, his position as a "Distinguished Career Professor" at Carnegie Mellon meets #5 of WP:PROFESSOR: "The person holds or has held a named chair appointment or "Distinguished Professor" appointment at a major institution of higher education and research." I confirmed via the Carnegie Mellon website that he holds this title.  Accounting4Taste: talk 16:36, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Did you find a faculty list somewhere? The only place I found that was his personal bio page, he doesn't show up under the college professor list.-- Terrillja talk  19:24, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, found it here . Sounds like a honorary title to me, but he appears to hold it, regardless of whether or not it's valid.-- Terrillja talk  19:27, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:38, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:38, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep or Merge to Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Search Google Books by "James Baker" speech recognition and it yields secondary sources on him, clearly indicating he is a leading expert in speech recognition. For example the first page of search results includes, "classic paper", "By chance, in one of Reddy's classes was a graduate student in statistics and information theory named James Baker. As the deadline approached, Baker created a 1000-word system called Dragon which actually performed speech recognition..." This seems to be the extent of it, so under an interpretation of WP:BLP1E one could also merge his article to the one on the technology he developed.  Abductive  (reasoning) 21:22, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Just because an article is currently a stub is not a reason to delete it - if it bugs you, do some research and expand it. Seems to be notable both for the software stuff and possibly as an academic.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  16:57, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep I'm not sure how much being a a Distinguished Career Professor at Carnegie Mellon University means, but I am willing to believe it is probably notable. JamesBWatson (talk) 18:51, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Multiply notable, hence no valid reason for deletion. Collect (talk) 18:55, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment In a search for '"Distinguished Career Professor" -"Carnegie Mellon"', I found quite a few examples of 'distinguished career, Professor Soandso' and only one or two DCPs. When searching without the negatived term, the vast majority appeared to be associated with Carnegie Mellon (disregarding the dc,P ones, of course). The DCPs I found in the first search did not appear to be associated in the summary with a particular establishment. This is not a conclusive search or verdict, but someone might care to try it and possibly refine it to see if DCP is especially a Carnegie Mellon title, and also find out what it actually means. Peridon (talk) 21:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Google scholar shows heavy citation counts (over 350) both for his Dragon system and for his paper on trainable grammars. The search results are messy but his h-index appears to be around 15 or 16. It's enough to convince me of a pass of WP:PROF and also enough to convince me that he's known for more than just one thing. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:53, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
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