Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Kinsella (journalist and tech entrepreneur)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — MarkH21talk 22:07, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

James Kinsella (journalist and tech entrepreneur)

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Article reads like a bloated PR exercise or LinkedIn profile. A review of the sources reveals that the subject clearly does not meet WP:GNG, which requires "Significant coverage" [that] addresses the topic directly and in detail. If there is no consensus to delete, I suggest WP:TNT and a rename. It is very likely that this page was created in exchange for undisclosed funds. KidAd •  SPEAK  21:54, 8 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep: The subject is a unique example of a journalist and author -- a founding MSNBC president -- AND a tech entrepreneur. I worked for years as an engineer in the telecoms industry, and Kinsella was very well known for building the largest fiber-optic company in Europe. As for "Significant coverage" [that] addresses the topic directly and in detail, please click on the links from articles in the entry from the New York Times, The Guardian as well as publications from MIT and the European Commission, among others. For most of my time in telecoms, there was no openly gay CEO of a major telco -- in the US or Europe. And, yes, I'm gay, too, so the entry is of particular interest to me and, I suspect, to others who might be interested in the visibility of LGBTQ professionals. The subject and what he's done IS noteworthy; not just to me, but to people in general. You can see that from the number of people viewing him in any week or month. Brandon Lapin (talk) 04:27, 9 March 2021 (UTC)Brandon Lapin.
 * I suggest you review WP:ASPERSIONS and WP:STRIKE your inappropriate and bad faith accusations of homophobia. Your accusations are not appropriate for a deletion discussion, or anywhere on Wikipedia for that matter. KidAd  •  SPEAK  04:33, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * u|KidAd, with all due respect, you should not have cast aspersions of paid edits against other editors without any evidence, either. While it does appear that Mr. Lapin's original wording was unnecessary, and he has changed it, you may wish to consider that you failed to assume good faith in your description of this AfD.  Good faith is a two-way street, and while it does not justify an uncivil response, you did kinda start things off on a really sour note. Hyperion35 (talk) 17:39, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 22:02, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Missouri-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 22:02, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Journalism-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 22:03, 8 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment I started cleaning up the article. It wasn't especially peacocky; there is good substance and plenty of sources I haven't reviewed yet. Hoping someone else will add more sources so I can vote informed. Brandon Lapin, where you wrote "in defense of entry": change that to "keep". We vote "keep" or "delete" here. Cheers. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 11:43, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Mild Keep Seems notable in the past based on the early sources used. Being gay is neither here nor there, although we do try to include such individuals in the Wiki to reduce bias towards them. Oaktree b (talk) 16:03, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep If the article itself is factually correct, then the subject must be notable.  Former Vice President at Microsoft, President of MSNBC.com, Chairman and CEO of World Online, Chairman and CEO of Interoute Communications, etc.  Look, even if he was a figurehead (and I see no reason to assume this), simply holding those roles should have generated significant reliable sources about the subject.  And I see that at least one of those companies, World Online, appears to have been involved in some sort of controversy around the time of the dot-com bust, which ought to have generated even more coverage and thus more RS.  In addition to the sources already cited, it may be worth looking through the relevant articles on those other companies to see if they contain further good sources that mention Mr. Kinsella. Hyperion35 (talk) 17:30, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep I made some early contributions to this entry. He is well known in tech in Europe, for two companies he ran. In the US, probably the MSNBC connection is best known. Some comments above were very helpful, and I made some changes, too. I hope the entry stays. I want to do a translation in French (I contribute both in French and English). Bicjic (talk) 03:38, 10 March 2021 (UTC)bicjic
 * Keep: Appears to be notable, particularly for earlier part of career but one does not lose notability, right? Definitely needs to be cleaned up as it does read like a resume or bioMiaminsurance (talk) 01:29, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: notable based on the sources. Expertwikiguy (talk) 20:59, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep well-sourced article on executive/entrepreneur. Meets notability. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 00:20, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - as President of MSNBC Digital (not the whole NBC), he should be notable. I am not !voting because after a search online, I discovered that we have at least one close friend in common and possibly more (we might even have attended the mutual friend's wedding). Bearian (talk) 23:42, 14 March 2021 (UTC)


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