Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James M. Murphy


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The result was delete. Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 20:01, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

James M. Murphy

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Fails WP:BIO Sourced with dead domain which Way Back Machine shows is no where near a WP:RS. BLP considerations (if he's still alive). Vrac (talk) 01:53, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete per WP:PERP. This primary source document is the only possible reliable source that I could find, but it is clearly insufficient for our purposes of determining notability of the perp or the event. (It may not even be the same person in that it states Murphy "remains at-large" as of 2014, whereas this article states Murphy surrendered to the FBI in 1975 and was eventually acquitted.) - Location (talk) 13:51, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That's, er, quite a source. So, he was one of a three-man hit-squad in a gang-related, 1968 double murder. Not tried because he got away.  That one must show up in the old newspapers.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:59, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. Per WP:PERP: "Editors must give serious consideration to not creating an article on an alleged perpetrator when no conviction is yet secured." Subject was acquitted. The alleged crime was not unusual. And the sources are low quality. Being on a big city police department's most wanted list does not establish notability. • Gene93k (talk) 14:03, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Added conviction, prison sentence, on one crime, sourced to Boston Globe.E.M.Gregory (talk) 09:47, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 *  Keep  The Winter Hill Gang was a huge and enduring story. Searches turn up little because a name like James Murphy is tough to google, after all James is also Whitey Bulger's first name, and is Murphy a common name in Boston's Irish neighborhoods?  Is the Pope Catholic?  Moreover, the Boston Globe is not searchable for non-subscribers, and the Boston Herald has lousy online back files.  the fact that he was not convicted would, to a Bostonian, more of less prove that he was a member of the Winter Hill Gang.  These guys made Al Capone look like an amateur.  They were connected.  Article just needs sourcing, by someone with access to Boston Globe back issues, and who knows the right key words to find this particular Murphy.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:13, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Boston Globe articles are on HighBeam. I looked and didn't find anything. The Winter Hill Gang is notable. That doesn't make every alleged associate of the gang notable. • Gene93k (talk) 00:26, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Proquest has quite a number of Boston Globe articles.E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:32, 18 September 2015 (UTC)


 * comment Sourced one crime/trial/conviction to the Boston Globe.  This man was part of the Winter Hill Gang.  I am no expert on mob crime, Whitey Bulger or Boston-area thugs, but I do wonder what his "working" name was.  Hard to believe that hw was addressed as "James M." while pulling off an armored car heist.  I continue to think that this article should be kept in the expectation that someone with expertise will come along and improve all of the Winter Hill/White Bulger articles.E.M.Gregory (talk) 09:45, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Added articles on some of his crimes from Worcester and Boston papers. Good search engines find him. using his name with keyword: FBI  turned up more articles than I added.  I don't watch a lot of mobster movies, but he seems to be the guy who says things like, "Whatever you say, boss,"  pockets his gun, and heads out to rob a bank.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:05, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Added news article on Murphy's participation in murder located by User:Location (near top of AFD). User:Location's source also reveals that Murphy at least sometimes used the nickname "Jimmy". There is more material out there.  In addition to his very common name, Winter Hill/Bulger mob in those years was named Shelly Murphy, and, of course, (Whitey) Bulger's first name is James.  This whole thing is reminding me why I don't watch mobster movies; I will leave this now and let other editors weigh in.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:17, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Which guy are you stating is notable? That article states that "James Murphy" remained at large as of September 2014, so it's not the same person who was "tried and sentenced for participation in an attempted armored truck robbery" in 1993. - Location (talk) 13:54, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * So we have a James M. Murphy written by the Telegram & Gazette at age 49 in 1992 involved with the the Bulger gang in a string of armed bank robberies in the early 90s.  And a  James M. Murphy - age not given - involved with the the Bulger gang in a double murder in 1970 recorded as still on the loose in 2014.  And a badly-sourced article about one James M. Murphy, born 1943 and involved with the the Bulger gang.  I suppose there could have been 2 or even 3 man by this name involved with that gang.  Or one or more of the dates or other details are  wrong.  I am withdrawing my iVote.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:06, 21 September 2015 (UTC)


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