Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Matador


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 01:51, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

James Matador

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The article reads like a PR-esque bio, not exactly of encyclopedic quality. On Wikipedia, notability is demonstrated by reference to intellectually independent, reliable sources --- typically newspapers, magazines, or books which are not written by the subject of the article or his associates. They all reference Mystery, but not Matador himself. The book revelation cannot be cited as notable and reliable source. The official company website, venusianarts.com, does not testify to the existence of any good sources, just blogs and forum posts. The articles on the website do not act like a reliable source. A brief quote in a newspaper or working for a television show is not a sign of notability. Walled garden, all supposed references actually go to the venusian arts web site and there is a circular linking all pointing to either Mystery or Matador articles on Wikipedia. No non-trivial third-part sources which establish notability have been demonstrated. The only edits so far came from single-purpose accounts. Handrem (talk) 03:06, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete 1) Written by obvious single-purpose account(s) which appear to be sock puppets for each other.  2) Written as a PR piece, not remotely neutral.  3) Subject's notability is not proven by sources referenced.  4) Very heavy on external links to Matador's website, venusianarts.com.  5) Heavy reliance on Mr Matador's own blogs and self-published writings, which are neither neutral nor notable.Camera123456 (talk) 03:48, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * What about playing himself in an upcoming film featuring Michael Madsen and Stephen Baldwin on top of everything else (I added a reference to his credit in IMDB)? If more sources are needed, then isn't there some sort of template to add to the top of the page that says that more sources are needed?  If a rewrite for this article is necessary, then can't someone rewrite it?  James Matador is one of the most well known Pick-Up Artists both in the seduction community and in the United States in general.  He has spoken at Yale on the topic of seduction, was the second person EVER to lead his own live programs (does Askmen.com count as an independant, reliable source?  Because that's mentioned there), and been featured on CNN (even though the video seems to be gone).  Can someone tell me how those specific points do not make him a notable person? Vitasmortis (talk) 05:06, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The tag you need is refimprove. &mdash; RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 18:35, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You should avoid editing pages that are about you and your business. Please see WP:COI and WP:NPOV as well as a good link here to FAQs if you are a business owner that wants your business to be featured in Wikipedia. I hope this helps.Handrem (talk) 04:12, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 11:11, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 11:11, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Stinks of self-promotion. If notable at all, is only within the hopelessly sexist "seduction community". &mdash; RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 18:35, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I share your view of the community, but the nature of it is irrelevant to notability.DGG (talk) 01:40, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. Advertising, only notable to a small community. Not much for Google searches and   —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benjamin Dominic (talk • contribs) 19:15, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Complete and total advertising, with little notability truly established.--EmperorofPeopleEverywhere (talk) 02:20, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Redirect to The Pick-up Artist (TV series) for above noted reasons. Plastikspork (talk) 02:42, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


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