Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James McDonald (Irish Filmmaker)


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The result was delete.  Jauerbackdude?/dude. 17:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

James McDonald (Irish Filmmaker)

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Unnotable director/filmmaker that fails WP:BIO. Article appears to have been written by McDonald himself, per his second article creation. Article claimed he was an "acclaimed, award-winning filmmaker" resulting in a speedy being decline, however there is no source to back that up nor could I find any. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 16:45, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.   —--  Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 16:48, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 *  Delete Keep - It seems the only refs outside of IMDB are the 3 awards at http://www.accoladecompetition.org/ but they refer to a company LCA movies. IMDB (again) claims that Mcdonald owns LCA . The LCA website claims to be part of AST Enterprises and make no mention of Mcdonald. I say WP:PROVEIT and it does not, so delete . --triwbe (talk) 17:35, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The page on LCA films makes the link to enable it to pass. --triwbe (talk) 07:27, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete, no notability, no significant sources. NawlinWiki (talk) 17:37, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, fails WP:BIO. Can not find anything to show if or why this person is notable. nancy  talk 17:46, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 *  Weak Definite Keep. Though the delete points are well made McDonald does have a minor notability. He is credited as actor, director, producer, & writer for 12 films, and has acted on televsion. No, nothing big... but it exists. Through his production company "LCA Films", his film "Optimystic won an honorable mention . Through his film "The Photograph" he won an "Honorable mention" for editing and an "Award Of Excellence" for directing. The film itself won a 2004 Telly Award for Best Drama. So he is not major... but he does have a notability. I suggest that the article be tagged for improvement rather than be deleted. I am myself willing to do the research and sourcing should it survive this AfD. Michael Q. Schmidt (talk) 03:24, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Michael, did you find any evidence (outside of IMDB) that McDonald has anything to do with LCA? If you can I would change to keep. I coulnd not and this link is suspiciously lacking. --triwbe (talk) 05:24, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply to comment Will seee what I can find. Michael Q. Schmidt (talk) 04:02, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I echo Twribe's sentiments. If someone can find the evidence that I missed I would be happy to reconsider my !vote - my own search turned up nothing except IMDB which is far from being a reliable source. nancy  talk 06:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Information as requested by triwbe and nancy : James McDonald is directly linked as owner of LCA at 1 and 2. His film "The Photograph" won a 2003 Accolade Homorable Mention for his editing at 3 and a 2004 Accolade Award of Excellance for direction and entertainment at 4. His production company LCA won Aegis Awards for Video & Film Production in both 2003 and 2007:  4 and 5. His film "Divine Souls won a 2007 Telly Award 6. My own keep vote is no longer weak. The information was out there... I just had to dig. He and LCA are award winners and directly linked. Thanks for the friendly nudge. Michael Q. Schmidt (talk) 05:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hats off to you for the fantastic effort but I'm still waivering. The first two refs are self-published and I am not completely convinced by the awards - the Aegis Awards page seems to suggest that they would be happy to honour a wedding video so long as you have paid the $40 entry?, McDonald did not actually win an Accolade Film Award, he just appears in a long list of also-rans (both times). It is a similar story for the Telly awards, again he did not win (as in coming first) anything - he got a Silver medal in his very specialised class (NB9. non-broadcast entertainment) & even that was not exclusive as many other productions in the same class got a Silver medal as well - there are over thirty pages of 2007 Silver Medal winners all told. I am inclined towards the opinion that these accolades are not hard to come by - you just need to pay the entry fee - and do not bring any particular prestige. Sticking with my delete !vote for the meantime. nancy  talk 09:26, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for doffing the hat.... Though self-published, the first 2 refs simply showed the connection between McDonald and his film company LCA. I agree that the Aegis and Accolade Awards do not seem the most prestigious.. but they were awards... more people did not win them than did. I was much happier to find proof of the 2007 Telly, as silver is first place, not second. I was not worried about the multiple winners, as there are over 200 categories that are being judged (almost as many as the Oscars (chuckle). More interestingly, and perhaps more fair, the Telly criteria do not have films competing against one another, but rather being judged by a performance scale. They could have multiple winners in one category or no winners. McDonald is definitely not a major name in fimmaking... but he does seem to have a minor notability. However, the search continues. Michael Q. Schmidt (talk) 17:51, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - given that the awards are not notable themselves, what notability is asserted? The fact that he's a filmmaker? Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 15:25, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete due to lack of suitable sources. Also, it is too much like advertising.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:01, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


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