Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James McNair


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus, closing prematurely because there have been a lot of votes and it's clear that this will not be deleted. -- Y not? 18:05, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

James McNair

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Article fails to credibly indicate subject's importance. The only sources are about one of the other people involved in the crash. Essentially, seems to fail WP:ENTERTAINER. G S Palmer (talk) 17:14, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: Apparently from what I've read he does have some notability, the article is in truly bad shape though. Williamb (talk) 17:22, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. I agree with G S Palmer. Sxg169 (talk) 17:27, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Subject is not notable. (Heroeswithmetaphors)   talk  18:33, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * STRONG KEEP. Deletionists suck. Also, subject was a mentor to an extremely notable actor and comedian. Perhaps if given time (say, more than a couple of hours) the article can grow and expand. That won't happen if it is simply deleted within a few hours of being added to the site.68.144.172.8 (talk) 18:40, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * DeleteSearch filtering out recent results comes up with nothing.TheLongTone (talk) 19:06, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:23, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as no evidence of notability. →Davey 2010→  →Talk to me!→  19:35, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge or Keep. Not a lot of info is known about this person, but more news might come out about his notablity as him being a member of the comedy community. There also could be a merger of infomation of this page into a seperate page about the accident if any conditions worsen or criminal charges are filed.--Riadse96 (talk) 19:42, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * STRONG KEEP. This subject has been noted by dozens of news sources both national and international. See noted references.User:Jimgerbig| →Jim — Preceding undated comment added 19:49, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep or Merge — His role as mentor might ultimately satisfy WP:ENTERTAINER's “3. Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment.”. Depending how the ongoing Morgan story unfolds, more reference material about McNair, related more to his life rather than just his death, may be published.  No reason to rush to judgment on the question.  As things presently stand, it seems like a difficult fit to try to merge McNair into the Morgan article.  —   Who R you?  Talk 20:26, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * KEEP - Was a relatively well known standup comedian in his own right. The article needs to be updated significantly though. --LeeSawyer (talk) 20:48, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * KEEP - Although looks like it needs substantial updating.--171.66.216.4 (talk) 23:01, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

WP:NOTINHERITED – ''“Notability requires verifiable evidence. This is why notability is not usually inherited, it can't be verified with evidence, only mere personal opinion…”'' — The number of RS stories where Jimmy Mack is the lead of the headline seems to indicate that there is at least some evidence of notability. WP:ONEEVENT – “When an individual is significant for his or her role in a single event, it may be unclear whether an article should be written about the individual, the event or both.” — The story has fairly quickly changed from "Actor Tracy Morgan in ICU After Crash" (NBC) to "Comic James 'Jimmy Mack' McNair Dead In Car Accident" (Huffington) & "Uncle Jimmy Mack Dies in Car Accident That Sent Tracy Morgan to Hospital" (People) The man wasn't famous, but he does seems to have been deemed “worthy of notice” (even if only after his death) by the mainstream media. The stories (now, a day later) aren't about the big crash, the Turnpike shutdown for 5 hours, the limo bus on it's side, etc; they're about Uncle Jimmy Mack who's dead now; and that seems pretty close to how WP defines whether or not someone meets the threshold of WP:Notability (people). Cheers —  Who R you?  Talk 08:09, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. So far, all I'm seeing is WP:ONEEVENT, WP:NOTINHERITED and WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Where are the sources for his notability as a "relatively well known" comedian? Clarityfiend (talk) 00:08, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTMEMORIAL – “Wikipedia is not the place to memorialize deceased friends, relatives, acquaintances, or others who do not meet such requirements.” — Similarly, People Magazine, NBC, CBC, US Magazine, Huffington Post, Chicago Tribune, & CNN do not write articles about our deceased friends, relatives, acquaintances, etc. (Just sayin’)


 * Keep - He was known under the name "Uncle Jimmy Mack" and really deserved an article before the accident. See e.g. http://www.people.com/article/comedian-uncle-jimmy-mack-dies-tracy-morgan-accident I'm putting this up quickly, let the article grow, please stop the quick deletion craziness Doprendek (talk) 03:16, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:45, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:45, 9 June 2014 (UTC)


 * keep - Let's start keeping articles because they have potential rather than deleting them in order to prove that certain editors have the power to damn themMasterknighted (talk) 04:54, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Just because the article wasn't created until after his death, doesn't mean he wasn't notable during his life. Pleny of Wikipedia articles only get started because someone creates an article based on a redlink they see in the "Deaths in [year]" page. Canuck 89 (talk to me)  08:25, June 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Because, A: the man had a substantial entertainment resume both on and off screen and B: because the rules for notability are used so subjectively on Wikipedia. A person can be on 'Survivor' and do little else and keep an article, another person can have a long list of credits starting with The Real World or Road Rules and be deemed unnotable despite having a significant fanbase (i.e.  Teck Holmes, who has parlayed his success on MTV into a number of movies and shows for other networks)
 * Keep Person is clearly notable... if the article needs work... do the work. Don't be lazy and ask for a delete.--Dr who1975 (talk) 14:42, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep The administrators here do not care if Jimmy Mack is known to many. If he is unknown to them, he is not notable.  He should have had an article a long time ago.....198.24.6.168 (talk) 15:48, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep The article needs a lot of work, but clearly notable in the media. A lot of notable people don't get documented attention until after they die. I don't think the intent of this article is to be a memorial page, but an attempt to document someone of note. Edit Ferret (talk) 16:37, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.