Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Norman, MD


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep.  Sandstein  05:40, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

James Norman, MD

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Not sure whether this person is notable per WP:BIO, but it definitely looks like a WP:AUTO by User:Markslatham and/or User:Rvflyboy. bender235 (talk) 22:36, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  —David Eppstein (talk) 04:00, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 12:35, 18 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Well, the good news is that he is recognized as an expert in his field and has six patents so far on surgical techniques that he has invented and that he's improved the lives of many people, including extending the lives of a good deal of them.  The bad news is that he doesn't meet the requirements of WP:ATHLETE, so we'll have arguments over whether what he does is important.  Wikipedia builds shrines to anybody who ever strapped on a jock in a fully professional sports league, but has few articles about physicians and surgeons because, with the bizarre priorities we have for notability.  While I don't advocate automatic notability for every M.D. or professor, I think that we need to acknowledge persons who have sources that show a significant contribution to their field.   Mandsford 13:15, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * keep and rewrite. I was really tempted to speedy delete this as G11, primarily promotional and not possibly encyclopedic without total rewriting, regardless of notability. As for notability, we need some actual third party evidence that he is as well recognized as the article says he is. This is the sort of article not to accept at face value. However, looking for actual reliable evidence, he is full professor of Surgery at USF in Tampa. And his citation record is splendid, even for the medical sciences, According to Scopus, his most cited articles have citation counts of 408, 293, 240, 188 ..., with h=34. This shows him an expert in his field.
 * I do not think that our lack of articles on physicians is due to problems with notability: WP:PROF works nicely in this as in other subjects--its due to our problems in not having people without COI interested in writing the articles; in consequence, many of the articles we do get are basically promotional.  DGG ( talk ) 05:35, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Oh, he's notable all right. But I just spent 20 minutes cleaning up the article, it was a mess - "Dr. Norman this, Dr. Norman that." We don't refer to people by their titles here. Also, we don't normally put titles like MD, PhD, etc. in the article title (I got slapped down myself once in my early days for creating an article with "MD" in the title). It should be retitled but I'm not sure how, because there is already an article about an author named James Norman. This doctor doesn't seem to use a middle name or middle initial, even in his published writing, so I'm not sure how to differentiate him. --MelanieN (talk) 05:54, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I see that early versions of the article referred to him as James Glenn Norman. In fact the article was originally titled James Glenn Norman, but sombody named User:Rvflyboy changed it to James "Jim" Norman MD, with the comment "middle name incorrect". He later changed the title again to the current James Norman, MD. That user has done a lot of editing of this article and may have a personal connection to the good doctor, so perhaps he/she could be contacted about what to call the article. --MelanieN (talk) 06:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC) P.S. Duh! I hadn't looked at Rvflyboy's userpage - it's almost certainly the good doctor himself, creator and prime editor of this article. --MelanieN (talk) 14:25, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess the article should be moved to James Norman (surgeon). --bender235 (talk) 10:05, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Good idea, that works. And at the same time maybe James Norman should be moved to James Norman (author) since the surgeon is at least as notable as the author. --MelanieN (talk) 14:19, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I initiated a discussion at the article talk page not realizing it was discussed already here. As I noted there, I'm fine with both options. However, if we were to move the other Norman to James Norman (author), best we allow this Norman to "take over" James Norman. -- Pink Bull  02:10, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep I apologize for not doing Wikipedia properly. I am markslatham and I created the article because three friends of mine coincidentally talked to me over a four month period and all three wives had life changing surgery with this Doctor.  I looked him up in PubMed and found that he was an expert, so I thought I would put it in wikipedia.  This was my first and only attempt and I appreciate all of the editors comments and changes and the time they put into keeping the world informed.  Please tell me what to do to keep this informtion on Wikipedia.  There are many people with this disease that can benefit from an expert in the field such as Doctor Norman.  I will be glad to figure out how to make any changes necessary so this article may help others --User:markslatham  —Preceding undated comment added 16:29, 24 May 2010 (UTC).
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