Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Quincy Butler


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  Sandstein  08:51, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

James Quincy Butler

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Fails WP:POL by quite a long shot, unelected politician who's media attention is based on his fringe candidacy Bangabandhu (talk) 00:57, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2022 February 8.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 01:13, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 01:29, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ohio-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 01:29, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Washington, D.C.-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 02:33, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * keep : He meets WP:POLITICIAN as he served for the government as Advisory Neighborhood Commissioner. I also see a few indepth articles about him. Caphadouk (talk) 08:34, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Click on the link for ANC. Its the lowest level of DC government. Many of the positions are unopposed. WP:POL requires a position of some significance.Bangabandhu (talk) 12:38, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I am hesitant about treating even the city coulcil of DC as like a state legislature, but anything below that level is just ludicrous. Even in states, nor all position that is elected on a statewide basis confers automatic notability. In Michigan where I live, we elect by state-wide direct balot the boards that oversee the University of Michigan, Michigan State University and Wayne State University. While in the MSU case in the wake of the Nassar scandal, there has been significant coverage of who is on the board and the board races, I am not ready to grant that every member of the MSU board in 1970 is default notable. These 3 boards were created by the 1962 Michigan constitution. That constitution actually shortened the number of offices elected on a state-wide basis though.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:18, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The policy states "Politicians and judges who have held international, national, or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office, or have been members of legislative bodies at those levels" ... So all politicians holding some sort of government or state office qualify. Nowhere I see here stating that only high level politicians qualify. If you can enlighten me as to how you came up with that conclusion, let me know. Plus the subject qualifies just based on news coverage and meeting WP:GNG. Caphadouk (talk) 17:58, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Well the language you quote says "state-wide". In this case there are 39 ANCs, each one covering one of the 39 portions the District is divided into. People are members of one ANC, there is one council for each of the 39 areas. So this is not a district wide position.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:36, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Second, I want to point out that the numerator of this page has made significant edits to Muriel Bowser's page who is the current mayor of DC and also running again in the 2022 race against the subject. I suspect a policitail COI here, so maybe his vote should not be considered. Cuteblkguy (talk) 04:43, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete being part of the ANC in Washington DC clearly does not come even remotely close to meeting the notability guidelines for politicians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:14, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete falls well beneath WP:NPOL which does not include "all politicians holding some sort of government or state office" being covered and even if we consider Washington, DC as a state (which it is not) the ANC would not qualify because it has zero legislative duties or power. Campaign coverage and local political reporting generally do not contribute to WP:GNG per WP:POLOUTCOMES. Best, GPL93 (talk) 18:40, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The actual wording is something like first-level subdivisions in a federal style government. However the District of Columbia's unique status makes it less than clear that it meets that criteria. However since the ANCs have no legislative power the point is moot. We do not grant default notability to members of county councils/commissions/legislature/whatever else they may be called, even though in many cases they do have at least some legislative power (an in the case of true county commissions they are also to some extent the county executive, although there are several bodies called "county commission" that have the name basically as a legacy of the way things used to be, and no longer have legislative power, this is true of the 3 county cmissions in the tri-county Detroit Metro area where I live for example).John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:19, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * KEEP " First, this page qualifies due to significant news coverage such as, and.
 * Or maybe the nominator is just interested in DC politics?? 's edits to Muriel Bowser include noting the rise in homicides during her administration and and a controversy surrounding one of her appointments so if they do have a COI the Bowser campaign should probably be asking for their money back. Best, GPL93 (talk) 14:19, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Of course I'm happy to give you a cut of the funds GPL93. Bangabandhu (talk) 16:35, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * LOL. Remember we do not wait for elections to be over to see if someone may become notable in the end of the election. If someone is not notable but running for a position that will make them notable if they win the election, we delete the article and then recreate it at the end of the election cycle. Otherwise Wikipedia would become a free campaign platform to post a candidates campaign literature, and in the US there are some people who loose an election and essentially announce they are a candidate for the election the next time around immediately. So in some cases such a rule would make non-notable candidates perpetually able to have an article. This would actually probably apply to some candidates who were very far from ever winning anything, because some of these perpetual candidates are placeholders for one party or the other in races where there is no chance of them winning at all. There are various reasons these candidates exist, one is because of the US tendency to hold elections at multiple levels at once, and to have parties function at city, county, state and federal levels, this means even if your candidate for US House is not going to get over 35% of the vote, making sure there is someone running for US house in that district still may be key to mobilizing your party vote in that district in the state governors race, where the margin of victory is under 2%. It may also be kep to helping the candidate for state house in your party who will win on that other guys coattails in part of the district, even though your party candidate goes down to defeat in the whole race. Of course some people who on first brush look like perenial candidates, like Anderew "Rocky" Rackowski, who lost a closely contested US house race and a US senate race to the brother of the guy he lost to in the US house race, if you did deeper you realize at one point they were in the state legislature and so meet inclusion criteria, and you do not actually have to figure out if the congressional race coverage is enough to justify an article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:32, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Say what you will about perpetual candidates, but Calvin H. Gurley has achieved notability for his attempts. Bangabandhu (talk) 16:39, 11 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment If I am reading things right, each of the 39 communities with an Advisory Neighborhood Comission, elects multiple commissioners. The ANC member is on a board that relates to the specific neighborhood (or cluster of neighborhods treated as one unit), they are not on a body that functions for the whole of the city. This is like a community council for any other sub-unit of a city, which at least if the sub-units are not offcial government bodies do not confer notability for membership.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:39, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes there's around 300 commissioners serving on the ANCs. It's amusing that we would even consider that ANC membership confers notability. Bangabandhu (talk) 16:40, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * To be fair I think that is less than members of the New Hampshire House of representatives, but they are an actual legislative body. Although this also probably explains why we have articles on all the current about 107 members of the Michigan House of Representatives but if you look though New Hampshire House of Representatives, we probably only have articles on about a third. With all those redlinks I have to wonder if someone has gone through that article and made sure all the blue links are correct connections, I have found enough false positive links on much shorter film cast pages. There are 400 members of the New Hampshire House of Representatives, so about one per 3,300 residents. Michigan it is basically 1 member of the state house per 90,000 residents. The Washington DC position works out to about one per 2,296 residents, but keep in mind they are not over the city as a whole, but just 1 of 39 divisions. Likewise the members of the Phoenix City Council may in general be notable (there are only 9, including the "mayor" who is the city-wide elected head of the city council, the city is run by a city manager), with a population of 1.6 million (to Washington's less than 700,000) but the members of the village councils are clearly not notable for such, and they I believe have more actual power than those in this position in DC (there are also way less such councils).John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:31, 11 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete Neighborhood politician fails WP:NPOL. KidAd  •  SPEAK  20:07, 11 February 2022 (UTC)


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