Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James W. Kelly Jr.


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The result was keep. J04n(talk page) 15:20, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

James W. Kelly Jr.

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Clearly fails WP:POLITICIAN. Neithier being mayor of East Orange, NJ nor president of the Essex County board of taxation is a notable position. Contains only two sources, one of which is a marriage announcement. WP:PROD was "denied" by USER:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) without explanation. Rusf10 (talk) 16:07, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Happy holidays! Baby miss  fortune 16:36, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Happy holidays! Baby miss  fortune 16:36, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. Happy holidays! Baby miss  fortune 16:37, 27 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete Change to Keep - fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG, and I can't find any other quality references through a Google search. -- Ajraddatz (talk) 03:18, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * With the addition of sources, this article meets WP:GNG at the least. I am concerned with some of the sources providing only routine coverage (this councillor was elected, etc) but there are some more substantive pieces to balance it out. When in doubt, I would prefer to lean towards retaining the article so it can be further built up. I also didn't know about newspapers.com - that's an excellent resource! -- Ajraddatz (talk) 07:34, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I have access to newspapers.com through WP:TWL. Together with project MUSE, TWL has made a lot of writing I do here easier and more fun and I encourage you (anyone) to check it out. Smmurphy(Talk) 13:27, 29 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete marriage announcements are plain out as a sign of notability, especially ones published in the paper that covers where the people live. If the subject is notable, one can find more than a marriage announcement. The other is an example of routine coverage of someone taking office, something that any half good paper will do for people in their coverage area. Someone like Kelly might not bear mention in the current New York Times, but that is because in the current era it can leverage national coverage better to get subscriptions, in the 1960s papers had to cover local or die.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:29, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - I've expanded the article a bit and think he passes WP:V, WP:NPOV, and WP:NOR. As one might expect of a mayor of a town of 60,000+, there is a lot more coverage of this subject in newspapers as can be seen on newspapers.com (for instance, see: ). I've added eight newspaper article references. One is an advertisement, another is a wedding announcement for his first marriage. Those two are quite detailed about Kelly. Most of the rest are rather routine articles about the life and doings of a civil servant - which is nothing to sneeze at. The article I added which gives the most detail is here. There are 300+ articles about him on newspapers.com if anyone wants to look for more (if you don't have access, I highly recommend you apply for access from The Wikipedia Library if you qualify). Smmurphy(Talk) 23:20, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Sourcing meets the GNG. The marriage announcement is there to support a fact, and never was used to argue notability, that false argument is called the strawman fallacy. --RAN (talk) 02:16, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Sufficient sources to satisfy GNG, and as per the lede of WP:N, it therefore doesn't matter whether or not the topic satisfies WP:Notability (people).  Unscintillating (talk) 20:57, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per substantiap coverage in reliable independent sources. FloridaArmy (talk) 17:31, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Coverage about him in reliable and verifiable sources meets the notability standard. Alansohn (talk) 02:06, 2 January 2018 (UTC)


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