Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Wearing Smith


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The result was delete. Tone 19:28, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

James Wearing Smith

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non notable actor. See previous deletion discussion - WP:Articles for deletion/James With. While the article is very long, it contains large amounts of irrelevant information and lots of references that do not mention him or where he plays a bit part. An apparent autobiography, there is nothing to establish meeting WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG. noq (talk) 10:24, 25 April 2019 (UTC)


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 * Delete not notable, IP's claims dont appear to be verifiable, though they would have potential to warrant an article. The creator of the article appears to have WP:COI based information at commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:James Wearing-Smith V.jpg. Gnangarra 15:12, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete It’s amazing how people get away with stuff like this on this website. All volume but no sound. Trillfendi (talk) 19:20, 25 April 2019 (UTC)


 * /* James Wearing Smith */ Keep - Notable with verified film credits for multiple films as a producer and actor in notable films. There are many pages of living people on Wikipedia with less content than this. It is strange that this is being targeted by a nondescript person who appears to troll, looking at the history.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Withepedia (talk • contribs) 23:40, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Contrary to this statement "While the article is very long, it contains large amounts of irrelevant information and lots of references that do not mention him or where he plays a bit part. An apparent autobiography, there is nothing to establish meeting WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG. noq (talk) 10:24, 25 April 2019 (UTC)" there is actually a lot of information about James Wearing Smith on the Internet, a little research shows that most of the information on the page is verifiable online. It is clearly about the person and whilst some information might have been sourced through direct meetings and discussions, the page doesn't appear to be autobiographical. Withepedia (talk) 01:19, 26 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Are you claiming that you are not James With/Wearing-Smith. Your user name does seem to imply it. If not, have you read WP:PAID? Your contributions to wikipedia are almost entirely promoting Wearing-Smith over many years. noq (talk) 08:55, 26 April 2019 (UTC)


 * No and there's no paid work to promote at all. All contributions to Wikipedia are unpaid and not to be construed as being for promotional reasons in any form. The account may be a few years old and initial entries were made long ago about the same person, and despite not using this interface for a very long time. The user name is no connection to be confused with the material that is addressed by this user and therefore please respect the work being done. No one likes trolling, or their work manipulated, and I am sure you would appreciate that point of view too in relation to your own efforts.
 * Worth noting that Wearing-Smith is using twitter to try to get people to Keep !VOTE here.  noq (talk) 14:27, 26 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete Subject may be notable but current article is mostly supported by unreliable sources, and has a lot of spammy external links. WP:TNT.  Aoziwe (talk) 11:54, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * found some further links to material, which appears to support a Keep vote, based on this, perhaps you would consider changing your vote for the listing?Withepedia (talk) 09:27, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * When you have got rid of all the unreliable references, and got rid of all the spammy links, and found independent reliable references for any remaining material, I will be able to reconsider. Regards.  Aoziwe (talk) 11:42, 28 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I did some more research and found some more information online, added these as reference links. Whatever you think is spammy, please remove or let me know? Thank you. Withepedia (talk) 02:44, 29 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Which additional links do you think show he meets WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG and why? noq (talk) 09:34, 28 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. When the only source for basic biographical information, like their name, is IMDB, then we have a Big Problem. —C.Fred (talk) 13:45, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.126.105.91 (talk) 00:45, 26 April 2019 (UTC) keep — 1.126.105.91 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Richard3120 (talk) 20:04, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Unless you give a reason according to Wikipedia guidelines for keeping the article, it is likely that your comment will not be taken into account. Richard3120 (talk) 20:04, 28 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Please KEEP this page live. It is valid 100% — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.152.105.111 (talk) 09:23, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Considerable time in the last couple of days has been spent searching for more credible reference sources in answer to some of the statements made on this discussion page; there are new references, published documents referencing musical composition of Wearing Smith, as well as other credible references to newspapers publishing interviews of the actor, etc. These references have been added to the page. Grammar, syntax and other clean ups have also been done. These new additions when taken into consideration should be sufficient for meeting WP:NACTOR and/or WP:GNG. Withepedia (talk) 13:48, 30 April 2019 (UTC) Keep it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.99.66.61 (talk • contribs) 10:49, 30 April 2019 (UTC) — 171.99.66.61 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * these two are the same https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/rambo-actor-in-off-screen-war-over-wa-film-20130509-2jalb.html https://www.mandurahmail.com.au/story/1490942/rambo-actor-in-off-screen-war-over-wa-film/ the mandurah mail even states so, niether have a by line to a journalist so it comes from a press release and therefore the content is unverified so not enough by themselves to support notability. The next source is a primary document from the supreme court no notability from that.  It does appear to confirm the COI and self promotion issues. There is still no substantive sources independent of the subject, its just a collection of trivial sources. Gnangarra 15:52, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: fails WP:GNG and WP:ACTOR. Simply no independent reliable sources other the reports about his court case. Take out the iMDb refspam, the blogs, and the primary sources where Mr. With discusses Sylvester Stallone, his TEDex talks and his car, and there is nothing of substantial value. Richard3120 (talk) 18:52, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete I searched, I couldn't source him.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:29, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete A search of the Australia & New Zealand Newsstream database (all Australasian newspapers), via Pro Quest, which is a much broader and deeper search tool than Google, found zero results, which was a first for me. That, coupled with the clearly suspicious circumstances of the page's creator's user name ie WP:COI; the arguments he presents above, including that there is a social media campaign to keep this page; the highly suspicious 'keep' votes that provide no reasons made by IP address accounts; and the denial that he is not the subject in the face of the overwhelming evidence is persuasive. The page does not appear justified.Cabrils (talk) 05:18, 2 May 2019 (UTC)


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