Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jamey Rodemeyer


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. The deletion reason appear to have been addressed. (non-admin closure) Alpha_Quadrant    (talk)  03:28, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Jamey Rodemeyer

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This 14-year-old was WP:INTHENEWS after he committed suicide due to bullying over his sexual orientation. Lady Gaga dedicated a song to him at a concert, and actor Zachary Quinto reconfirmed for everybody that he too is gay, in Jamey's honor.

Other than that, there's really nothing to satisfy WP:BIO here. We're certainly not seeing anything approaching the significance of the Tyler Clementi case here. WP:VICTIM suggests a stand-alone article would be appropriate only if he had a "large role" in a "well-documented historical event" that has received "persistent coverage" -- not a Twitter-fed relative news blip or "another in a series of cases ...", which is what this is. And although BLP1E, tragically, does not apply, I still think we ought to be extremely hesitant about taking an otherwise completely unknown and private minor child and saying that he is permanently important to public history as a gay person who killed himself. Perhaps a bullet point in Gay bashing may be called for. Glenfarclas ( talk ) 07:43, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't think there's a big difference between this case, suicide of Tyler Clementi and some others mentioned in the Category:Victims of cyber-bullying. The article describes an extreme case, the worst scenario resulting from a dangerous and disgusting social phenomenon, online bullying. Wikipedia should cover the most shocking cases and document the dangers and changes in human social behavior influenced by the Internet and related technologies. The content of our article is verifiable by multiple reliable sources, this event already is a part of public history and we can hardly talk about a "completely unknown and private minor child". --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 11:13, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Clearly notable; extensive news coverage. User:Fred Bauder Talk 14:41, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 16:41, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 16:41, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete and add to Gay bashing – For me, "persistent coverage" is a key phrase here. It's too soon to say. The Tyler Clementi case has more coverage of legal arguments, comments and actions by schools and public figures. Jamey may yet generate such coverage, but we don't know yet. I agree this case is shocking, but that's an opinion of editors and therefore not in itself grounds for a Wikipedia article. By the way, once persistent coverage has been established, there is precedent for an article about the event rather than the person. Suicide of Tyler Clementi is an example. (Disclosure: minor to the article, and I patrolled it. Originally I didn't see a strong case for deletion, but I have thought more about it now.) – Wdchk (talk) 17:25, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't have a strong opinion on keep vs delete, but it should at least be renamed. Kevin (talk) 17:59, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Ample coverage in many reliable sources. No objection to renaming to Suicide of Jamey Rodemeyer, which is the proper topic of the article, but I don't see an urgent need for it. --Lambiam 22:24, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep or Redirect This article was originally a redirect to the high school the subject of the article attended and was bullied there. If this article fails the notability guidelines, then it should be reverted to the first revision where it was a redirect. OpenInfoForAll (talk) 22:31, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - two weeks ago, I would have redirected this to his high school's article, because it was worth about two sentences. Since then, his death has become notable, with thousands of stories in the media and its ongoing impact.  Perhaps a redirect to Suicide of Jamey Rodemeyer may be in order, but AfD is not meant for move discussions. Bearian (talk) 00:19, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep for the immediate future. The page view statistics would indicate to me that the page is seeing significant regular traffic (at least by my standards). If this drops off as time moves on then someone could make the argument for deletion or merging then. Cheers Andrew (talk) 01:41, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep The article fully meets WP:GNG, This case has also generated very much media attention, the victim is now well know and talked about in the media and general public, supplying many opportunities for additional citations and expansion. – Phoenix B 1of3 (talk) 02:59, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep as per arguments by User:Vejvančický, disagree with lede on deletion. -Mardus (talk) 13:30, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep (but at Suicide of Jamey Rodemeyer, which is currently a redirect). The coming-out of two notable people as a direct result of this event, as well as the ongoing coverage, demonstrate the continued impact necessary for a WP:EVENT pass. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 03:41, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep for now. This article is too soon to be nominated as AfD during the time of recent events like suicides of victims of homophobia.  Just wait for two years and see if he will become notable in the future.  --Gh87 (talk) 08:15, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep He gets coverage in reliable sources mentioned in the article. Its good to cover things like this.  Make people aware of the problem.   D r e a m Focus  00:13, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not exist to right great wrongs. - The Bushranger One ping only 05:27, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
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