Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jamiatul Hidaya, Jaipur


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Spartaz Humbug! 07:35, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Jamiatul Hidaya, Jaipur

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It is a madrassa that claims to have 173 acres of land. It does not seem to have anything else. Sabeelul hidaya (talk) 08:14, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 08:19, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Less Unless (talk) 07:40, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep It seriously meets WP:GNG. See this at the Milli Gazette. "The most famous among them is the Jamiatul Hidaya, billed as the 'hi-tech madrasa'".(See). And this, "Jamiatul Hidaya is not just an institution, rather a movement...". Here it has been considered a third-type of madrasa, which gives it prominence in the madrasa history of India. Journal of Objective Studies discussing it. If I dig up more resources, there would be plenty, but I believe this is enough. The nominator has not tried a legit WP:BEFORE. ─ The Aafī   (talk)|undefined  11:13, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 13:50, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per The Aafī  rationale above. Besides this, the article has news coverage by 3 different Indian newspapers The Times of India, The Siasat Daily and an in-depth profile of this university by The Milli Gazette. Ngrewal1 (talk) 19:41, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete The first reference provided by The Aafī looks like a PR puff piece press release that was written by someone with a connection to the school. Either they teach for it, paid by them to write the article, both, or just have zero journalistic integrity as an author. Either way it doesn't bode well for the reference going toward notability. The second reference isn't much better. What it says about this being "the most famous among the hi-tech madrasa" is hyperbolic nonsense. Notability isn't determine by rando author saying something is famous. Whereas, the third reference is a trivial name drop. It seems like every time there's an AfD for a madrasa people come along to post a bunch of trivial PR pieces, attack the nominator, and say something along the lines of "Keep because so and so says it's one of the most famous madrasa in wherever. So it must be notable." In the meantime Madrasas aren't inherently notable and we should really do better by not allowing every single madrasa to exist on Wikipedia no matter how trivial or promotional the coverage of it is. Especially not just because some random author thinks it's the greatest thing to come along in Islamic education since writing was invented or whatever. --Adamant1 (talk) 05:22, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It is illogical to say that the chancellor of one of major central universities in India, MANUU, was paid to write an article about Jamiatul Hidaya. FYI, he isn't worth it. The sources from Google books aren't just trivial mentions rather they discuss the subject, but sadly "Google preview is limited". I agree that every madrasa isn't notable but always AfDing a "specific set of institutions" is suspicious. We have had such behavior in past from . I do not want to make you feel bad but the way nomination has been carried out, it makes it clear that they didn't even try searching for it first and just went forward AfDing it. Nonetheless, I'm searching for more significant sources. Thanks. ─ The Aafī   (talk)|undefined  08:19, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know what you mean by "he isn't worth it", but it isn't much of a stretch that a university would pay an educator to write about them. I don't know why he would use such hyperbolically non-neutral language like "set amidst the peaceful sylvan surroundings of Jaipur’s Ramgarh, encircled by a tranquil valley and cool lake" to describe the school unless he was being paid. The article is literally an add for the university. As far as if the nomination is suspicious, there's nothing that says people can't work in area they are interested in. Plus, someone could make the same insinuations about your motives since your involved in every AfDs about madrasas that I'm aware of. You've done pretty weird defending of certain things to. Like saying he isn't worth paying to write an add for the university. Which seems like something only someone connected to the university or him would know. Not that I'm saying you have a COI, because it's a weak way to handle things, but I am making the point that you'd probably be better off not questioning other people's actions when yours are also suspect. --Adamant1 (talk) 08:57, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:48, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: Apart from the Milli Gazette article that I linked above, I was able to get hold of second source, which I have used in the article. The source "Qasmi 2005" gives more than a page to Jamiatul Hidaya. I also added one Urdu source in the Further reading section because I do not feel expanding the article at the moment. The Urdu source is published journal by the All India Muslim Personal Law Board (though significant, I'd take this a 'low reliable source') but I recently discovered that this Madrasa has got over two pages in Education and Muslims in India since Independence, published by Institute of Objective Studies, India. I'm on my search and hopefully I'd get more sources that significantly discuss this madrasa as the "Qasmi 2005" source regards this a third type of madrasa in India, and states that in India madrasas follow three setups, one among them separately led by the Jamiatul Hidaya. This makes the prominence of this Jamia more national. The sources so far make a tendency towards passing WP:GNG. ─ The Aafī   (talk)|undefined  18:22, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. This meets GNG and WP:NSCHOOL as a notable institute in Jaipur. Hawawshibread (talk) 11:35, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep: as per 's reasonings. Though, it needs more inline citations. - Hatchens (talk) 14:46, 9 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Strong Delete fails Notability. 37.111.218.17 (talk) 18:16, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: The article is buttressed with reliable sources, such as the The Milli Gazette (link) and The Siasat Daily (link), as well as textbooks. Moreover, most seminaries would pass the general notability guideline, including this one, given its association with the Deobandi establishment in India. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 17:51, 12 February 2022 (UTC)


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