Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jamie Fraser (character)


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 00:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Jamie Fraser (character)

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Non-notable fictional character. The GNG applies here, and we don't have anything that discusses this character's development or influence outside of the scope of the fiction. The references discuss a bit of inspiration to the author, but are superficial and don't demonstrate notability. The character isn't influential for other fiction writers, and isn't used as an allegorical sense, and so on. (Note that the actor being nominated for awards is about the actor, not the character.) Mikeblas (talk) 02:41, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 02:43, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Toughpigs (talk) 03:06, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Toughpigs (talk) 03:06, 25 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep per common sense. This is the main character of a very popular, long-running book series and a very popular, long-running television show. As it says in the article, the actor has been nominated for two Saturn Awards, two People's Choice Awards, a BAFTA and a Critic's Choice Award for playing this character. Mikeblas says that that's "about the actor, not the character," and if I squint really hard I can almost understand where that's coming from, but nobody is nominated for six major awards in a world where nobody has ever written about the character. The presumption that no coverage exists is just not sensible. I'll go ahead and quote just two:
 * "The stories the show told during the second half of the first season deepened [Claire and Jamie's] bond and their need for each other. Jamie in particular was made to confront his personal and cultural attitudes about gender roles, understand how they impact Claire, and recognize the value to him of having a wife that was his equal in every way." — "How the Outlander finale handled its disturbing rape scene", Entertainment Weekly (May 31, 2015)
 * "According to author Gabaldon the character of Jamie Fraser was developed from an account in the book Prince in the Heather, which describes how 19 wounded Jacobites hid in a farmhouse after the battle. After two days they were executed under the Red Coat’s command for No Quarter, “except one man, a Fraser of the Master of Lovet's regiment, who survived the slaughter.”", "How historically accurate is Outlander?", The History Press
 * This character is obviously notable. — Toughpigs (talk) 03:36, 25 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge to Outlander (book series). I don't see how the subject passes WP:NFICTION; a sentence in passing here and there is not sufficient to establish notability. The above argument clearly ignores WP:NOTINHERITED.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 07:18, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:GNG as the subject of substantial sources such as Gazing at Jamie Fraser. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:22, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually... that's a good source. If we can find one more like this, I'd change my vote to keep, per the GNG requirement of multiple quality sources.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:42, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Toughpigs and Andrew and additional references such as The Symbolism and Sources of Outlander. pburka (talk) 15:07, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think that the subject is discussed here in depth, unfortunately. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:42, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You don't think a 205 page analysis of the symbolism and sources of Outlander discusses the protagonist of Outlander in depth? pburka (talk) 16:41, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - The character is clearly notable as the "leading man" of the franchise, though I agree that the article is slim and underdeveloped. No matter that the current sourcing may not satisfy WP:NFICTION, the sources we need are definitely out there.— TAnthonyTalk 16:48, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep There are many books and articles written about the book and tv series, and within them I'm sure there is much discussion about this central character, in particular the fact that he was raped. Two sources I've found include Adoring Outlander: Essays on Fandom, Genre and the Female Audience (pages 170-173 discuss the character specifically), and this article, which is not free but this abstract indicates the character is discussed in detail. Rhino131 (talk) 15:51, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * KEEP Reliable sources others have mentioned give this character significant coverage.  D r e a m Focus  13:04, 29 June 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.