Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jamie Masada


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) – Davey 2010 Talk 21:34, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Jamie Masada

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Beside the fact that the article reads as one big advertisement, there is the bigger concern of copyvio: Duplication Detector The Banner talk 22:10, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Everymorning (talk) 22:46, 5 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete as even considering the current article, there's nothing actually solid to suggest solid independent notability, delete at best for now. SwisterTwister   talk  05:47, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment – Note the sources I have denoted below, found by viewing articles using the Find sources links atop this nomination. If you did not perform additional source searches, only basing your !vote upon sources in the article, please read WP:NEXIST, "notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article". Your !vote appears to only be based upon sources in the article. North America1000 00:43, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm telling ya, this 'The Banner' has it in for me (just look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jamie_Masada&action=history), if he doesn't go on and on about bad linkage, then he finds something else (like in this case, where he alleges I got this whole Jamie Masada article out of newspaper articles... ) Well, I got news for you, Banner, prior to me starting to write this Wikipedia article, the Laugh Factory (and thus Jamie Masada) have already been 'out there' for 37 years; also, as an 'authority' in the world of comedy, Masada gets in the news alot (like the other day, when Garry Shandling died), so it is no wonder 'his story' gets covered by everybody and the kitchen sink. Oh, and by the way, I read somewhere that this page is not a 'vote-page', then why does 'SwisterTwister' feel the need to vote Delete? Miep2 (talk) 18:44, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
 * When mr. Masada get a lot of news coverage, that also means that there is a lot of independent coverage. That would give you the change to write a neutral article, instead of this puffery promo vehicle. But no, this is what you add: [Duplication Detector - america.pink. (Although it is possible that this is a wikipedia-cloon without proper attribution from an older version.) [[User:The Banner|The Banner ]] talk 23:29, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
 * America.pink does indeed copy from Wikipedia without attribution; it's a chronic issue. Notices have been sent, but the site is registered in China so I would not expect resolution. I've removed that reference from the article again. Kuru   (talk)  23:41, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
 * May I assume you'll now stick to your Michelin-starred restaurants, Banner (here's a tip for ya, Banner, I added stuff and some links to the Didi Hirsch segment of 'Honors and Awards')?Miep2 (talk) 21:36, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * So you have nothing in store then personal attacks, Miep2? The Banner talk 21:51, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Um... where do you see an attack?(by the way, you said "When mr. Masada get a lot of news coverage, that also means that there is a lot of independent coverage. That would give you the change to write a neutral article, instead of this puffery promo vehicle." I added a total of NINETEEN references and still you call it a pufferish article that I copied from somewhere   (this goes also for SwisterTwister))Miep2 (talk) 22:25, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Funny, you are the one spreading this article all over Wikipedia. The one on the Dutch Wikipedia is already shot down as promotional and your second attempt there is shot down too. And as you could see, I had no involvement in the first removal ([]) or the second (I did not even know that it was there again.). As I did not see that discussion, I also did not notice that you are editing on Jamie Masada's behalf as you stated here Ten derde ben ik niet zijn PR-medewerker maar hij spreekt geen Nederlands (en ik wel)dus stelde ik voor de pagina even te vertalen en in de Nederlandse Wikipedia te zetten. Hij wil nl. uitbreiden naar Europa (...). translated: Thirdly, I'm not his PR staff but he does not speak Dutch (and I do) so I suggested the same page to be translated and put in the Dutch Wikipedia. He wants to expand to Europe (...) . So contrary to what you claimed earlier there is an undeclared conflict of interest and there is a promotional reason for this article. The Banner  talk 14:37, 8 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep – The subject passes WP:BASIC. Source examples include, but are not limited to:, , , , , , , , , , , , . I have copy edited the article to address copyvio, close paraphrasing and promotional tone; it is now clear of any infringement (Earwig's Copyvio Detector results). North America1000 00:06, 8 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep – I live in Los Angeles and have personally directed lonely or under-employed folks to Masada's free Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners. I wish there was yearly coverage of these events that described them in full because they are one of the city's biggest philanthropic endeavors.  One person I sent there described the even to me as so uplifting that he felt part of LA for the first time in the 20 years he was a resident here.  There are usually 4 to 5 seatings where people go in and are greeted & served by both Masada himself and a variety of Comedians; some a-listers and others just starting out.   It's a buffet style meal of fairly generous portions.  While the guests eat.  There is a 3 act comedy show, always featuring at least one big name comedian.  My friend saw Kevin Nealon, to mention one.   I don't have any professional or personal connection to Masada or the club but I am very glad he has the friends and finances to put on these free meals and that he doesn't limit them only to the homeless.  More times than not, the people I have sent there were simply all alone on a holiday and very depressed.  They came away feeling hugely uplifted by the experience.  I feel we should KEEP the article on Mr. Masada but build up the philanthropy section to reflect just how many people this guy feeds during the Holidays.  It has to be about several thousand if they do 5 seatings.  if demand is less, they do fewer seatings.  I always ask people who have gone what it was like and the Christmas meal is not as swamped with waiting guests as the Thanksgiving meal. LiPollis (talk) 15:35, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * So you found me out, Banner (not that I was trying to hide)... did I say anything anywhere that strikes you as untrue, from one language to another? I don't understand why you're coming after someone who is simply keeping a page up-to-date rather than going after sites with not-working links, anyway  .--Miep2 (talk) 21:16, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * As for North America and Lisa Pollison... Geez, thank you, guys (what kept you so long?)!--Miep2 (talk) 21:16, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I have never said mr. Masada was not notable, all I said was that the article read like an advertisement. Unfortunately, what ms. Pollison does is confirming facts that we already know. She does nothing to enhancing the needed independent, reliable, prior published sources conform WP:RS. And as you should have noticed: I have no problems with reliable, independent sources. I have only problems with advertising and editors not declaring a conflict of interest. The Banner talk</i> 08:50, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't know what more you could want, Banner, somewhere above here Northamerica1000 says " The subject passes WP:BASIC. Source examples include, but are not limited to: [and then gives a whole list of references]" and then says "I have copy edited the article to address copyvio, close paraphrasing and promotional tone; it is now clear of any infringement". As for the conflict of interest... I cannot find the one talkpage where I know I said it, so use your Dutch skills and read here: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verzoekpagina_voor_moderatoren/Terugplaatsen#Jamie_Masada (now can we close this matter already?)Miep2 (talk) 23:12, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * This is what I was told by 'somebody with a little clout' on the Dutch Wikipedia:"Dit is de Nederlandstalige Wikipedia, niet de Engelse, dus wat er daar gebeurt heeft niks te maken met wat er hier gebeurd" ("This is the Dutch Wikipedia, not the English one, what happens in another language has no bearing on what happens here") Miep2 (talk) 18:23, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. Independent sources quote him on what's funny. The clubs are notable, and various sources seem to treat Masada as notable as the founder, covering the charity dinners, dispute with the Clinton campaign, fundraiser for Sanders. That said, the current sourcing to articles and interviews by/of the subject is a problem that needs to be fixed. And the tone of the dialog around this could, um, be improved. Cheers. Chris vLS (talk) 00:49, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
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