Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jan Allen (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 22:35, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Jan Allen
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This was deleted at AfD in 2018, and there is nothing in the article or elsewhere to suggest that the subject is more notable now. Fails WP:GNG, WP:NACADEMIC and WP:CREATIVE Edwardx (talk) 20:31, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, Artists, Authors, Women,  and Ontario.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:37, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 *  Delete . No increase in notability seen since last AfD. There is another Jan Allen, a solid state chemist who could well be notable, but it is not this person. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:57, 17 April 2022 (UTC).
 * Change vote because of arguments produced. Xxanthippe (talk) 23:08, 19 April 2022 (UTC).

Keep. Because:
 * 1) In 2019 she was awarded the Royal Canadian Academy of Arts Medal, an award that only one person gets per year. 1
 * 2) Also in 2019 she was given a lifetime achievement award from Galeries Ontario / Ontario Galleries 2
 * I think (but tell me if I'm wrong, I'm not sure of how important these awards are) that therefore she passes WP:ANYBIO. CT55555 (talk) 23:32, 17 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:ANYBIO as she has "received a well-known and significant award or honor" since the last AfD. pburka (talk) 15:24, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - What has changed since the AfD in 2018 is that she received two significant awards as stated above: in 2019 she was the sole recipient of the Royal Canadian Academy of Arts Medal, and a lifetime achievement award from Galeries Ontario / Ontario Galleries. She clearly meets WP:ANYBIO. The article should be retained in the encyclopedia. Netherzone (talk) 15:50, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep I added information from a source via the Wikipedia Library with in-depth biographical information, and between the awards and reviews cited in the article, it appears that per WP:CREATIVE, she is regarded as an important figure and has won significant critical attention. Beccaynr (talk) 16:37, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment. Given the information CT55555 and Beccanyr added, I think the question we ought to ask is why we deleted a page about a notable artist in 2018. This seems like a (less prominent) case of what happened to Donna Strickland. pburka (talk) 17:11, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * On one hand, my main argument to keep is based on two 2019 awards.
 * On the other, while about 19% of biographical articles on Wikipedia are about women, 41% of biographical articles nominated for deletion are about women, so something is causing editors, on average, to disproportionately nominate women's biographies for deletion. I'm not saying this nomination was a problem, the 2019 stuff wasn't in there at the time of nomination. Sources: Gender bias on Wikipedia
 * If anyone find the status quo problematic, please do join us at Women in Red and/or join in by creating high quality articles about women (there are helpful lists in the project) or copy my new hobby of scanning articles for deletion for biographical articles and doing some sort of WP:BEFORE+++ kind of work, and help close the gender gap. CT55555 (talk) 17:38, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The 2018 discussion only saw three editors, one of whom was anonymous, supporting deletion, including the nominator. Nobody uncovered her 2002 Exhibition of the Year award, and, despite unclear consensus, the discussion wasn't even relisted once. pburka (talk) 19:23, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment When I nominated this on 17 April 2022, there was nothing in the article about these 2019 awards. However, if either really is "well-known and significant", why is there no mention of them in Royal Canadian Academy of Arts or Galeries Ontario / Ontario Galleries respectively? Furthermore, the only source for this medal is the organisation she is the director of. As for the lifetime achievement award, this is mentioned in a podcast interview with her - hardly a reliable source. And the comparison to Donna Strickland is a false equivalence. Edwardx (talk) 17:50, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Some examples of other places that mention her lifetime achievement award:
 * https://galeries-ontario-galleries.ca/awards/nominees/jan-allen/
 * https://www.queensu.ca/gazette/stories/agnes-etherington-art-centre-earns-pair-awards
 * https://kingstonherald.com/news/19-oaag-awards-2010327598
 * https://www.chathamdailynews.ca/entertainment/local-arts/mayors-arts-award-winners-announced/wcm/fb032a28-3ec0-41ea-ae9d-3b5928cc4a1f/amp/ CT55555 (talk) 18:09, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * To answer your question, I attribute the lack of mention of the awards on the articles you mention to a lack of editors taking an interests in museums and galleries, if my time at AfD is anything to go by, there seems to be more interest in pop music and video games than galleries, but I'm deep into speculation. To try to remain more objective, there's lots of important things missing from Wikipedia, I don't think we should assume something is not important just because it doesn't exist here, also any one of us could add it in quickly right now and I don't think that would make it suddenly more important. CT55555 (talk) 18:15, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree with the awards found confirming she is a notable artist.  D r e a m Focus  05:36, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. I find most convincing the Royal Canadian Art medal, although the sourcing for this is not completely independent, and I didn't find anything better.  (Comment that the RCA webpage is a bit of a mess!)  Hence, "weak".  But the Ontario Galleries lifetime achievement is nearly at the same level (if a bit more local), and there seems to be plenty of sourcing for that award.  Here is another mention of the lifetime achievement award . Russ Woodroofe (talk) 07:01, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, it may have been too soon in 2018, but the awards since her retirement are significant. Pika voom  Talk 06:12, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per her winning a major award in her field. Balon Greyjoy (talk) 06:30, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, it was WP:TOOSOON when it was deleted originally. Now that the person meets WP:ANYBIO I see no reason to delete it. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:36, 20 April 2022 (UTC)


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