Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jane Williams, Baroness Williams of Elvel


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The result was   delete. WP:NOTINHERITED certainly applies as per consensus. A redirect may be valid, but target has not been sufficiently displayed (✉→BWilkins←✎) 15:26, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Jane Williams, Baroness Williams of Elvel

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None notable person per WP:NOTINHERITED. Being the wife of a baron or the mother of a bishop does not make you notable. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 19:02, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. does not meet notability criteria.Pukkativa (talk) 20:38, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:22, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Well maybe (just maybe), but we are in danger of being sexist here and furthermore if you're a parent of the Archbishop of Canterbury (or of the president of the USA for that matter) I think it is rather different. Furthermore it is of interest to know that the parents of the Archbishop of Canterbury divorced when he was young, and this seems a ggod place to have the information.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion/Jane_Williams,_Baroness_Williams_of_Elvel&oldid=522182795" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.205.197.50 (talk) 14:58, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - no evidence of independent notability. Anything useful can me mentioned in the article on Justin Welby. GiantSnowman 17:49, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreement, and delete. Inherited note (notability) through both kindred and affinity, but not in her own right. -- KC9TV 00:20, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. No notability of her own; all through her relations. Stronach (talk) 12:19, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

I would urge a reconsideration of deletion to allow for possibility of more information or news about her emerging in the wake of the event of her son's appointment. It would be interesting to know for what county she is "DL" (Deputy Lieutenant) and alma mater if any.194.81.127.244 (talk) 15:53, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Such information would possibly be included in her son's article. However, as she herself is not a notable person there appears to be little need for wikipedia to contain detailed notes about her life. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 16:50, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Deletion seems premature in light of her son's recent appointment, and the likelihood of more information about her becoming available in the near future, although I would change my mind if she were, for example, a wikipedia editor with her own page. She seems an interesting woman in her own right, quite capable as shown by her work for Winston Churchill during an era in which women were discouraged from working, and her own mysterious DL status (whatever that is). Neither would be appropriate in Justin Welby's article, but would in her article. Plus as an American, I'm curious to learn how someone whose possibly aristocratic family included Conservative stalwarts ended up marrying a cricketeer turned financier whose allegiance is the Labour party.Jweaver28 (talk) 00:29, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, being interesting does not make a person notable. As you have probably found out form googling her, there isn't much information out there on her. Therefore she doesn't satisfy the goden rule of being "the subject of multiple published secondary sources". Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk  10:43, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * A Lord Lieutenant is the Queen's representative in a county. They might open buildings or appear at parades. If the vice lord-lieutenant is unavailable as well as the Lord Lieutenant, Deputy Lieutenants (DL) fill in. As it is unlikely that both will be ill etc the appointment as DL is usually just an honour recognising your contribution/importance to that county. There are also a lot of DLs, maybe 30, so compared to being Lord Lieutenant its just a nice thing to have after your name. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk  10:43, 11 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete not even borderline S a g a C i t y (talk) 13:55, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - borderline case, but it is more useful as a navigation page. Bearian (talk) 21:27, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge with husband or son. Even if GNG was met, there really isn't a lot of content here worth preserving.  A few sentences in one of the articles I mentioned should suffice  p  b  p  00:24, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * delete not notable. --Shorthate (talk) 15:25, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
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