Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jane and Finch

Jane and Finch was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was to keep the article.

Non-notable city intersection. RickK 00:55, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)
 * I don't know WHO it was that struck out my comment, but that is NOT appreciated, and will not be tolerated. RickK 20:51, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)
 * It was User:Arffy, fyi. --jpgordon{gab} 02:30, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Delete. Useless. Bart133 01:29, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: An intersection. Geogre 01:34, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * It's a neighborhood. Factitious 10:17, Nov 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * Ah, Wikipedia, the intersection of bored individuals and an "edit this page" link. --Slowking Man 03:24, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, in light of improvements to the article.
 * Well, this article's not very encyclopedic, but Jane and Finch is a notable Toronto neighbourhood because it's the most dangerous area of the city (and is known elsewhere in Canada because of that), and undoubtedly played an important role in Toronto's move (downfall?) from "Toronto the Good" of midcentury to its current another-big-city state, all of which would fit nicely in an article on the history of Toronto, and not in this one. Delete. (No, see below.) &mdash; mendel &#9742; 03:38, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)
 * I would have voted to delete, but in fact Mendel's notes have convinced me to desire a merge of this with another article about Toronto. &mdash; siro  &chi;  o  04:03, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. An important area of a major city. It is a neigbourhood rather than an intersection and we have many articles on Toronto neighbourhoods. - SimonP 04:45, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)
 * You've got a good point there. I'll change mine to a keep. &mdash; mendel &#9742; 05:33, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)
 * Portage and Main has more history and without a page, and the rest of Canada does not know about this neighbourhood. Delete . - Captain 433180 05:20, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)
 * Well, if you're speaking for the rest of Canada, so will I: I knew about Jane and Finch even as a Montrealer but had to look up Portage and Main (which, incidentally, seems to be an intersection, not a neighbourhood, but I've only read the first relevant Google hit). Of course, Portage and Main can have an article as soon as you start it. "Some other thing doesn't have an article, thus this shouldn't either" doesn't seem to hold much water. &mdash; mendel &#9742; 05:33, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)
 * I did not know I became the ambassador of Canada. I was just pointing out that one cannot assume things here.  I lived in Kitchener for 3 years and never heard of this area.  However, you are correct that my argument held as much water as a soggy paper bag.  Then could this be changed to a neighbourhood and not intersection since most of the arguments here seem to suport the neighbourhood theme?  And maybe I should consider making a page on Portage and Main.  But who knows it might have to jump through the same hoops as this page. You win! Keep  Captain433180 05:55, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)
 * Portage and Main would be an interesting article. Not to sound shockingly inclusionist all of a sudden, but there are so many other articles about major streets and neighbourhoods and intersections, so why delete this one in particular? There are whole WikiProjects devoted to this sort of thing. There are articles about Paris metro stations...so, anyway, keep. Adam Bishop 06:42, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Strong keep for what was, while miles away, more or less the community - not intersection, community - I grew up in. And I can't think of any appropriate merger, unless we cut an enormous merging swath through the entire Toronto neighbourhoods article space. Samaritan 07:30, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep--articles on major cities' neighborhoods are not only encyclopedic, but interesting. [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 07:56, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sufficiently notable. ElBenevolente 11:04, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Real place. Having such granularity in Wikipedia is what knocks the socks off other encyclopaedias. zoney &#09827; talk 13:48, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep Jane and Finch is considered by Tornotonians as a neighbourhood, not an intersection, and is infamous for having more than its fair share of social problems and for the numerous stalwart souls fighting to make life there better. I don't know what would be gained by merging all of the Toronto neighbourhoods articles into one big article. In fact, it would probably prompt a message about the size of the article exceeding Wiki norms. "Granularity" - what a great way of describing Wikipedia. Kevintoronto 14:18, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep Some intersections are more famous than others. -- GWO 15:19, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Normal keep. Zone said it right.  GRider 18:13, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep; it is a notable Toronto neighbourhood, which merely happens to be named for its central intersection (rather like Church and Wellesley, and if anybody tried to VfD that one I'd have to give them my gay cooties.) Bearcat 02:14, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * keep how many people live there? looks big enough . Mozzerati 21:20, 2004 Nov 17 (UTC)


 * Keep. Jayjg 21:21, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable intersection and notable neighborhood.  Rick, I thought you wanted us to keep articles on places?  anthony &#35686;&#21578; 21:35, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Definitely a notable neighbourhood that is, as someone else mentioned, named after its major intersection. We have plenty of articles about less notable places, and they're not showing up on VfD, so the "non-notable" argument does not seem to hold water here. Darkcore 05:03, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep it. &mdash;[[en:RaD Man|RaD Man (talk)]] 06:48, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Please do not delete significant neighborhoods.  If people would research topics for a minute or two prior to listing on VfD, this sort of thing wouldn't happen. Factitious 03:58, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)
 * At the very least, it would be nice if people would withdraw nominations (and votes) like this when they are obviously incorrectly made. If I listed an article on VFD and it got the keep/delete ratio this one got I'd be blocked for trolling.  anthony &#35686;&#21578; 12:28, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * By the way, I'd suggest we add a guideline to VFD that you should at least click on "what links here" before nominating for deletion. Had Rick done that I doubt this would have ever been nominated.  Instruction creep?  Maybe.  But the 2 seconds it takes to click on "what links here" would have saved all the time wasted here on VFD. anthony &#35686;&#21578; 12:31, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, and if you don't know whether or not something is notable, please just say that rather than say it is non-notable. It just confuses people when you lie like that. anthony &#35686;&#21578; 12:32, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * The version I listed for VfD was "Jane and Finch is an intersection between Weston Road to the west, Keele Street to the east, Sheppard Ave to the south and Steeles Ave to the north. There are two shopping malls in the vicinity - Yorkgate mall and Jane and Finch mall. There are also a few plazas in the area. Jane and Finch is known for its abundance of social housing, particularly the Connections, but there are also quite a few working class houses in the area. It is a very poor area, and violent gun crimes aren't uncommon. Though tame compared to most other cities bad spots, Jane and Finch is generally considered to be somewhat of a slum by residents of Toronto.". Explain how clicking on "what links here" would have made that worth keeping.  Oh, and if you don't want me to talk to you, stop making personal attacks on me.  RickK 06:32, Nov 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * Sending it to cleanup would have been more appropriate. Darkcore 06:38, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I think it would be reasonable to take a minute or two to make sure that a topic is what you think it is before listing something here. That would cut down on cases like this one, where extremely notable things get nominated by people who didn't check first.  I'm not suggesting a need for extremely thorough research.  Just copy the title into a search engine and read through a couple of the results.  If you had done that, and decided that you still didn't feel the neighborhood was notable, I'd be satisfied.  Considering the unwieldy size of VfD, a little discretion can go a long way. Factitious 10:17, Nov 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * If you had clicked on "what links here" you would have seen List of neighbourhoods in Toronto. And you have agreed that neighborhoods are supposed to be kept. anthony &#35686;&#21578; 13:20, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Definitely keep!--Sonjaaa 13:01, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a strong, informative article. I live over 100km from Toronto but I have heard Jane and Finch in the news a number of times. I now understand why I keep hearing about this neighborhood in the news; this is a good use of Wikipedia. WpZurp 20:57, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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