Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Janette Becerra


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) – Davey 2010 Talk 00:05, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Janette Becerra

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I'm not convinced this writer pass our notability criteria. I failed to find anything notable about her either in google or in the article itself. A google search basically shows her name being mentioned in lists of authors talking part in literature events. The article is inflated by a list o "writing on here Work" that amounts basically to blog posts about her and an "Award" section with a lot of nominations and a few actually won awards. damiens.rf 18:54, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep Not a good article, but a Proquest search on her name turned up 42 articles - all in Spanish-language papers, but by no means all from Puerto Rico. I added the first 2 articles on the search to the page.  I have no idea whether she has been translate dinto English, but she does appear to be notable.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:19, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. Lots of books in WorldCat, but all with very small holdings – no go on PROF. If there's other material that satisfies GNG, I'll be happy to look at that. Agricola44 (talk) 20:48, 20 July 2015 (UTC).
 * User:Damiens.rf In this situation, try keywords. google name + a term like poet, poesia or "Puerto Rico" and you will probably get better results.  I also sometimes pull keywords out of a poorly sourced article - such as the title of a book, or a uniquely named hometown.  If you do this and are satisfied, it is entirely acceptable to withdraw your nomination.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:49, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I did my best why googling for this writer, using both English and Spanish keywords. But, of course, you're free give it a try and add any relevant, non-trivial coverage to the article. --damiens.rf 13:58, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Look at section "Writing on her Work". I removed all the blog posts I colud spot. The remaining sources in the list seem to be small literary journals, academic journals and the largest newspaper in Puerto Rico.  These are real sources that need an editor to read them and integrate them into the article.  But they do support notability.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:48, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Her books are visible in WorldCat. The problem is that all of them have low holdings. Agricola44 (talk) 15:07, 21 July 2015 (UTC).
 * Yes, but WorldCat is not dispositive; few sole indicators are. Particularly not for a poet and literary novelist.  If a poet or literary writer is written up at length in major newspapers, wins real and significant prizes, and is encountered at serious length by critics in relatively obscure literary journals - that can pass WP:GNG.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:52, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * WorldCat, by convention of hundreds of previous AfDs, is a standard tool we use to evaluate writers and library holdings are a reliable way of estimating how independent 3rd parties view a subject's work. I wholeheartedly agree that mainstream awards and/or other mainstream recognition (like reviews in mainstream publications) would independently signify notability. Unfortunately, these don't seem to be present here. The linked reviews that are about her (i.e. have her name in the title) appear to be web-pieces & blogs and the claimed awards are either obscure or have no sourcing whatsoever. These aspects are very weak justification of notability. Agricola44 (talk) 17:14, 21 July 2015 (UTC).
 * User:Agricola44, humor me. Take a look at this search on her name on the website of El Nuevo Día, (elnuevodia.com) the biggest newspaper in Puerto Rica which, despite not having any water at the moment, is a populous island with a flourishing literary culture all its own.  Click the handy "translate" button for the amusement value oafforded by google translate, if for not other purpose.  Click here: .E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:14, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Or this search in El Pais, sorta kinds the newspaper of the old Spanish Empire, i.e. not a "local" paper in any sense .E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:49, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Several that I checked seemed to mention her name only trivially, although there are a few that do discuss her specifically. For example, the one that Ahnoneemoos linked to below is in the "entertainment" section of the newspaper and appears to describe her winning its short story contest. I concede that this is a source, but the fact that there is such a disconnect between the very poor library holdings of her work (one of our "gold standard" quantifiers of peer assessment) versus coverage of her winning a newspaper writing contest (and perhaps some other non-mainstream awards) strikes me as borderline sensationalism. We have dealt with many articles like this before (e.g. Jacob Barnett) where hyped "sources" are completely inconsistent with objective peer indicators. I don't think this case is nearly that bad, but I still maintain that the community of her peers has not recognized her work and that observation raises sufficient doubt for me. No worries for you, though. I think this article will be kept based on the current !vote tally. However, I will still with my conscience here. Best! Agricola44 (talk) 16:03, 22 July 2015 (UTC).
 * User:Agricola44 I do see why this was a tough one. I see the holdings problem, but it's common with poets, literary writers.  I see that some newspaper mentions are trivial.  I just think that other coverage and prizes outweigh them.  A slight difference in judgment on a not obvious AFD decision.  But, then, the obvious keepers and obvious advertisements don't need to be at AFD. (Although too many land here.)  Cheers!.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:23, 22 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep. The results of Google are personalized by viewer / geography / other variables and not a good indicator of notability. Also, It's normal to have an Awards section that includes nominations to awards that were not won. There are however, 3 references by notable publications and societies that should support her notability. Vaughn88 (talk) 23:02, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. Remember to always do a Google search through national newspapers by using the site:url-of-newspapers-here operator. For example, a Google search for 'Janette Becerra site:elnuevodia.com' yields a ton of results. In addition, in this case we go for WP:AUTHOR rather than WP:PROF since she is notable for her creative works rather than by her academic work. Here are two reliable sources that will bring this AFD to closure: from El Nuevo Día and from EFE (through El Mercurio) . It seems that her award Premio de Literatura Infantil El Barco de Vapor seems to be a pretty big deal in the Hispanic world. HTH, &mdash;Ahnoneemoos (talk) 13:49, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. Numerous Spanish-language newspaper sources above show a clear pass of WP:GNG. There is no requirement that sources be in English. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:25, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep as per and  and others.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 00:45, 23 July 2015 (UTC)


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