Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Janos Boros (4th nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Can be restored if needed for mergers.  Sandstein  20:34, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Janos Boros
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In a nutshell, I believe Boros fails WP:POLITICIAN for two reasons: Previous nominations of this article were marred by canvassing and filibustering on the part of the article creator. He is now topic-banned, so hopefully we can have a more rational discussion. I will just say that one of his main claims revolved around the notion that because Boros is an ethnic Hungarian, there is some sort of conspiracy not to cover him in the Romanian press. I debunked that claim in two ways. I showed that Romanian language media do care about ethnic Hungarian politicians, even fairly obscure ones (but not Boros), and also that they don't care about deputy mayors, regardless of their ethnic background. - Biruitorul Talk 01:40, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The policy calls for inclusion of "major local political figures", but neither of the three offices held by Boros qualifies.
 * He was deputy mayor, but that's an unelected position that fell to him as the result of an internal rotation system, not because electors endorsed him for it. The mayor of Cluj-Napoca is presumed notable, but not the deputy mayor of this or any other Romanian city. (Indeed, it's quite rare that we have articles on any deputy mayors anywhere.)
 * He was city councilor, but in a city of Cluj-Napoca's size (a little over 300,000), that doesn't necessarily qualify. For the national capital Bucharest, 5-6 times larger, probably, but not for Cluj-Napoca, at least not without ample press coverage.
 * He was chairman of the county chapter of his political party. Now, there are Romanian politicians who have been county party chairmen and who are notable (Marian Oprişan, László Borbély, Radu Berceanu), but never only for that, as far as I'm aware.
 * Each and every source presented in the article falls under the "routine news reporting" mentioned at WP:NOTNEWS rather than under the "significant press coverage" demanded by WP:POLITICIAN. I rather carefully analyzed them here, although I will be glad to reiterate my analysis as need be.
 * Delete At long last. There is nothing to refine in my comments on the earlier AfDs - Janos Boros is simply not a valid wikipedia entry, not per WP:GNG, not per WP:POLITICIAN, not per nothing. Dahn (talk) 11:31, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Tentative keep !vote amended, see below He does appear to fail WP:POLITICIAN, but if even a few of those Romanian new sources constitute more than passing coverage of his involvement in multiple events, he does meet WP:GNG. That said, I only know one word in Romanian ("Noroc!"), so I can't ascertain what's actually in the sources. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 11:58, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yunshui, I will gladly walk you through the sources (at least all but the three that are dead links) if this helps you make a more informed decision.
 * This is a news brief quoting Boros saying he's unhappy then-mayor Funar would dismiss Hungarian citizens from Cluj-Napoca city hall.
 * This mentions that he once did business with a Spanish company involved in dubious city contracts.
 * This makes passing mention of his opinion on highway construction.
 * This quotes him on the then-forthcoming opening of an apartment complex.
 * This talks about his secret negotiations with an American company on a building project.
 * This quotes him on what will be discussed at an upcoming city council meeting.
 * This simply mentions he was part of the council's bids committee.
 * This news brief mentions a criminal complaint filed against him by residents evicted when he helped restore property to the Roman Catholic Church.
 * This mentions that he ordered a hole in the city center be filled.
 * This mentions his opinion on where traffic police should work.
 * This quotes him as looking forward to working with then-incoming mayor Emil Boc.
 * Tellingly, none of these articles is from the national press. Not that local news is inadmissible, but in Romania, city-level politicians who are at all remarkable are quickly noticed by the main newspapers; this never happened for Boros during the decade he spent in office.
 * So yes, he did make his local newspapers, as one might expect for a city councilor. But as I hope you can now see, the level of coverage is glaringly trivial, and there's nothing really to set him apart from the dozens and dozens of others who have served on the city councils of Romania's large cities in the past two decades. - Biruitorul Talk 14:02, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your patience in doing that. I don't see anything there that would consitute significant coverage of the man, hence no pass of the GNG. I'm amending my !vote to Delete accordingly. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 14:09, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 14:14, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 14:14, 13 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete and Merge Significant Information: I appreciate Biruitorul taking the time to provide the applicable standards and explaining the reasoning right in the head of the nomination. That did not happen in the last two nominations but then Biruitorul answered my request for more information in the 2nd/3rd nomination.  My original comments are here: and .  I agreed that there is too little significance to justify a bibliography article.  Tellingly, the article remains orphaned.  It is my hope that the story (and sources) that are significant in the article are used to improve other, more appropriate articles: e.g., Democratic Union of Hungarians in Romania, Emil Boc, Gheorghe Funar. --Stacey Doljack Borsody (talk) 18:11, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bibliographies-related deletion discussions. --Stacey Doljack Borsody (talk) 18:15, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
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