Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Janusz Łuczak


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. On the contrary to the relist, this is a clear delete. NFOOTY is merely a presumtion of GNG. Neither of the keep votes make any attempt to show how GNG is met. Furthermore it is difficult to see how it could given he played one game, something that arguably falls under WP:BLP1E as well. Fenix down (talk) 14:38, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Janusz Łuczak

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This person is known only for playing half a football game, and the references are in no way significant, merely directory-like. Geschichte (talk) 14:30, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 14:46, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 14:46, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 14:46, 14 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep - NFOOTY passed. It is normal for that to be enough for pre-internet articles, as far as I'm aware. R96Skinner (talk) 16:24, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 * NFOOTY is actually not passed as it was not a professional league. And even in the "pre-internet" era, what significant coverage would there be about a 45-minute football player? None. Geschichte (talk) 17:11, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Assumptions like that aren't helpful, who are we to claim that? Besides, don't shoot the messenger... I'm just aiming for Wikipedia to be consistent. R96Skinner (talk) 12:49, 15 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Fifthavenuebrands (talk) 13:23, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:14, 14 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep - As per R96Skinner. Additionally, NFOOTY passed, WP:NFOOTBALL states that the player must play in either an international game or the important one for this page "Players who have played, and managers who have managed in a competitive game between two teams from fully-professional leagues", which even one game reaches that requirement. If you look at the WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues it states both the Ekstraklasa and I liga. Łuczak played in the I liga, which is now the equivalent of the Ekstraklasa, Poland's top division. Again if you look at the page there is no date for when professionalism started, where as for example: Argentina is 1931. As there is no date for when the league became professional I would take that as any player who played in that league is accepted, as per England, Germany, Italy, etc. OLLSZCZ (talk) 04:39, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:GNG which is more important than technically passing WP:NFOOTBALL (though that is debatable as well). GiantSnowman 15:33, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, GiantSnowman. Just for clarification, if only for myself, do we not keep the presumption of NFOOTY for pre-internet articles? I feel like I've seen many editors, including yourself but others too, do so for British footballers from the same period as Janusz Łuczak. Please do correct me if I'm wrong, it's always possible I'm missing something. R96Skinner (talk) 16:30, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Of course we do - but it's a lot more difficult for players with one appearance! GiantSnowman 17:15, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * If it's of course we do User:GiantSnowman, then I don't understand your delete for a player with 58 top-level appearances before the professional era, in the pre-Internet 1980s at Articles for deletion/Akira Komatsu. Nfitz (talk) 03:03, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * That is because the player was playing in an amateur league at the time so he can't really be classified as playing in a WP:FPL based league which is what most players would be thinking when they do that vote. HawkAussie (talk) 22:35, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Amateur league? According to? WP:FPL doesn't list a start date for professionalism in Poland. R96Skinner (talk) 00:30, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * No that was meant to be for the Japanese player not the Polish player as like you said we don't have a start date for professionalism in Poland. HawkAussie (talk) 01:31, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete – no GNG sources. A guy that played half a game half a century ago does not have to have a page in the encyclopedia. – Levivich 00:07, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

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