Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Japanese Fascism:the bases to conduct at Japanese Nationalism

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE (10/6)   &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 21:25, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Japanese Fascism:the bases to conduct at Japanese Nationalism
This is an unwikified, irredeemably NPOV, text dump of someone's personal (poorly written) essay, put into a ludicrous poorly translated namespace. &mdash;thames 16:43, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as original research and (as translated) gibberish which is too bad because this has a nice All your base are belong to us vibe going. 23skidoo 17:03, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what yo make of this article. It seems to be mistranslated, presumably from Japanese, and I wasn't able to make heads nor tails of it. Possibly it has some useful information. But it would need major cleanup first. Pass &mdash; RJH 17:07, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Almost-English ranting about the evils of Japan in WW2. Broken title, irredeemable POV, just this side of patent nonsense. Suspect that is the same as, of Japanese expansion in mainland Asia, also VfDed; similar IP block, similar interests, similar lack of English skills.    &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 18:33, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep: See Votes for deletion/Articles on Imperial Japan for the whole ugly debate.  I'd hate to lose this contributor.  My Talk page also has some information on his sources now. Wikibofh 18:42, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep per Wikibofh, and the lack of civility towards a good-faith contributor is troubling. Kappa 21:25, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * "Good faith" doesn't overcome "ranting", "POV", or "incoherent". --Calton | Talk 03:08, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete without assuming bad faith or meaning to be uncivil in any way. The title, structure, and nature of these articles are simply not encyclopedic. Ben-w 21:42, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Rant without usable material. --Wetman 22:03, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: It's not a rant.  It's a translation of period information and is valuable.  I will grant you that the title is horrific, but I'd rather move the article to a different title and slowly work on the material than lose it all together.  Wikibofh 00:12, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep. This article was up for less than 2 hours when it got slapped with a VfD.  I see potential here.  Isn't that the idea of a wiki?  Why do people sift through recent changes looking to axe articles like this rather than posting   tags? DS1953 22:27, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * There is no sound basis for keeping an article with the title "Japanese Fascism:the bases to conduct at Japanese Nationalism". None. The following articles already exist, with coherent titles and content: Japanese nationalism, Meiji period, Taisho democracy, Occupied Japan, Pacific War. Those articles already exist and can be added to and edited. Extract any useful content from this article and add it there. I don't think it is incivil, hurtful, or intolerant to state that these articles do not come close to an acceptable standard of writing or organization, whether they're two hours old or two years. Nor does that suggest bad faith on the part of the contributor or that the pieces themselves are worthless: there is indeed potential in the content. Ben-w 23:41, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC).
 * Comment: You agree that there is content here, but you want to delete because of the title?  Heck, that's the easiest thing to change. Wikibofh 00:12, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: What was unclear about what I wrote? I listed five articles which already exist where some of this content might belong: Japanese nationalism, Meiji period, Taisho democracy, Occupied Japan, Pacific War. Sheesh. Ben-w 04:41, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: I addressed this in my talk page in response, but just for completeness sake, the confusion is your first sentence where you say: There is no sound basis for keeping an article with the title "Japanese Fascism:the bases to conduct at Japanese Nationalism".   I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you, but IMO the best way to deal with it is to fix the article in place (I've started) and then to piece it up and merge to the articles you mention.  Wikibofh 22:08, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: The solution for a bad title is a move, not a delete. DS1953 00:50, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Move to where? I don't think this belongs here, and unless you have some suggestions for a new name, I'd say delete. NatusRoma 03:11, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete. Incomprehensible. No offense to the original contributor, but I don't think an article that goes through two translations (Japanese &rarr; Spanish &rarr; English) is reliable, especially when there are other articles that already exist that deal with its subject. A &#1080; D &#1103; 01D  TALK  EMAIL  23:53, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: I think the order is English->Spanish->English and the author is trying to actually paraphrase and avoid copyvio.  Hard to argue with that sentiment, even if it's very difficult to decipher, and I've done my fair share of it.  Wikibofh 00:12, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Just to clarify (1) is it correct to infer from your comment that the source materials are in English? (2) Don't you suppose that in this case there is another translation step given the quality of the english: english &rarr; spanish &rarr; broken english &rarr; english.  My point in bringing this up are the multiple information loss/distortion points.  I've worked with this contributor too and agree with you that the content is being offered in good faith.  I am wishing that there was a better and more reliable way to get this information added to Wikipedia. Tobycat 06:31, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Yes that is my understanding.  Yes, I agree with you.  However, I don't see anyone else doing this work.  :(  I try to do my darndest when I do the copyedits, but I could be making subtle mistakes.  Wikibofh 22:08, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Merge anything useable to Japanese nationalism, no redirect. JamesBurns 02:54, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete incoherent ranting. --Calton | Talk 03:08, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I have every sympathy for the contributor, and will vote Keep because I am certain the topic is notable and the contribution in good faith. However, material this mangled can't stay in Wikipedia indefinitely, so I hope for a speedy Cleanup. Xoloz 03:46, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. However noble the contributor's intentions, this is gibberish, which as such is not encyclopedic nor forms the basis for material that's encyclopedic. More importantly, as has been argued above, these subjects have already been covered in a host of other articles. carmeld1 15:30, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Commment. Deja-vu. See Votes for deletion/War Crimes in Asia Mainland. Leithp 10:55, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Clean-up and Merge with Japanese nationalism. There is some interesting stuff in there, and it seems fairly NPOV. The choice of making it a stand-alone article is unfortunate. UnHoly 14:54, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * CommentIf interesting seeing your comments.ones are very hard destructive,others are conciliatory and other some observed your possibly value.if naturally inherent to all human groups seeing this i only in my very little limits to sended any information at yours but if ones liked and others not,i no poses trouble,if liked to deleted(destroy in other words) or keep,if your decision...i liked much seeing your deletion meetings,for your democratic rigt for elect any posibility at respect of final decision over articles.

Preciselly for this diffrent opinions i reinstall this present articleto links area,awaiting your final decision.


 * Delete, quit whining and expecting special treatment for rambling, poorly-written, POV material. This isn't about you. Anything usable should go in the many, many, many existing articles about Japanese history and World War II. Ben-w 19:00, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Nothing here that shouldn't be in Japanese Fascism if it survives. If it doesn't this should be deleted along with it. DJ Clayworth 19:04, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages.  Please do not edit this page .


 * Keep The Wikipedia project must not be blackmailed by the Japanese neo-fascist historical revisionists. Ignore them.  Everton 09:14, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)