Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Japanese Film Society


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The result was delete. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:23, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Japanese Film Society

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Couldn't find any non-third-party sources on Google. I dream of horses (T) @ 05:53, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: I've moved this to the name Japan Film Society, as Genericusername345 asserts that this is the correct name for the group. Generic had created a new article at Japan Film Society, however the problem is that the notability of the organization is still in question and even if I'd deleted the prior article and closed this AfD, a new AfD would still be necessary. As such, it's more efficient to just move everything, merge the histories, and leave the AfD open. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  08:04, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

I found the content via google about the organization and wanted to explain in further detail about LA EigaFest though this page that there's a real organization behind it that promotes Japanese film screenings in LA. I don't think the page should be deleted the sites used are authenticated as valid — Preceding unsigned comment added by Genericusername345 (talk • contribs) 16:13, June 23, 2015‎ (UTC)
 * Delete. We are not Yellow Pages. I don't see any reliable refs, but if any are found, please post them here with an analysis of what makes them reliable, and ping me. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  09:01, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete: It has everything wrong. 1) Naming problems: it's a Japanese Film Society for one place (there is probably one in YourMajorCity), 2) No indications of notability offered internally, 3) Simply documenting a local film festival. Fails GNG. Hithladaeus (talk) 02:14, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. I can find some mentions, but by large this film society is really best known for their festival as is evidenced by mentions like this one. I think that we could have an article for the society or the film festival, but not both. There are pros and cons to both - putting it under the film society would make it easy to make it more encompassing of what the society does as a whole, but since the sources are predominantly about the festival that will put some WP:UNDUE weight on the article and it'd be harder to expand. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  08:11, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, that source looks like it's for a separate film society by the same name. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  08:20, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm running into the issue where I'm finding a lot of routine notifications of events and reprints of press releases, but not a lot about the organization itself. There's also not a whole lot about the film festival either, to be honest. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  08:27, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm still undecided. There's some coverage for EigaFest (which I've turned into a redirect) but not a huge amount. It might be just enough to where it may warrant an article, but at this stage the coverage is so light that I'd offhand recommend that this redirect to the film society rather than vice-versa. I'm going to ping Hithladaeus and Piotr to see what they think. At best I think I can warrant a weak keep based on the film festival coverage paired with the slender coverage for the society's other ventures, but that's at best. I'll keep plugging away to see what I can find, though. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  08:34, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * My concern is this: the Society operates in a major city and one with a moderately strong population with Japanese heritage, whereas the equivalent society in New York City will have similar festivals and probably as great or greater history. This means that the number of press release and incidental coverage will go up, but the coverage will be largely routine. There have been film societies dedicated to Japanese film since the 1960's in the U.S. in cities that have a strong arthouse movement (it's how Kurosawa films were so well known that "Star Wars" could borrow from "Hidden Fortress" and "Magnificent Seven" could be a remake of "Seven Samurai"). We need coverage that makes this film society special, that sets it apart. I'd rather see the festival have the article, myself, because, in a sense, it can more easily be distinct and notable than its organizers. (To be notable, the Society would need some special organization, longevity, funding, effectiveness, or aims, and coverage of these, it seems to me.) Hithladaeus (talk) 13:21, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * The only problem I've run into is that by itself, the film festival isn't particularly noteworthy either. There's a mention here or there but I haven't actually seen anything really focus on the festival itself other than routine notifications that it's going to happen or the odd review of films shown at a festival. I figured that merging it into the main article for the organization would maybe show enough notability for both since I don't think that either one is notable enough to merit their own article independent of the other. I really don't think that LA EigaFest would pass AfD if we were to re-create the article and list it at AfD. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  06:17, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey I'm Generic here, I'd rather that the old LA EigaFest page exist again instead of a redirect and there would be a separate page for JFS

I've found more links for the JFS http://www.scifijapan.com/articles/2009/12/02/mothra-night-at-sony-studios/

http://www.scifijapan.com/articles/2009/10/01/blood-the-last-vampire-%E2%80%93-free-screening-in-monterey-park-ca/

http://cinema.usc.edu/events/event.cfm?id=12385

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2009-11-30/japan-film-society-presents-the-winter-shorts-at-the-royalt-cafe

I just haven't had time to cite them, the LA EigaFest is also active I just checked their facebook and they say they'll be doing another festival in September — Preceding unsigned comment added by Genericusername345 (talk • contribs) 01:50, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * The problem is that being active doesn't automatically mean that the festival is notable. It can make it more likely that something will gain coverage, but it's not a guarantee. Per WP:ITEXISTS, existing does not equal out to notability. As for the sources, here's the biggest issues with those:
 * this ANN link is a press release. Those are considered to be WP:PRIMARY regardless of who posts them and one of the problems I've found is that most places just repost the press release or base their article on the releases. Primary sources are things that are posted by anyone involved with the festival or society.
 * This USC link is just a routine notification of an event. Even if it was a fuller article the other problem is that since USC is hosting the event that makes it a primary source.
 * This link is pretty much a reprint of a press release. It states that's what it is in the beginning of the article.
 * This one is better, since it has an author, but it's still not really something that would be so big that it'd show where the JFS would pass notability guidelines on their own and merit an article separate from the film festival.
 * In the end I think that the only way to really salvage things here is to keep the article as the way it is now: one that merges both the film festival and the organization together. I know that you want to have both, but you've got to think of it this way: separating the two would leave the article with only a handful of sources, not enough to show notability. Separately they have an extremely high chance of getting deleted. Together they have a good chance of remaining. The best option, in my opinion, is to go for an option that will allow for both to be mentioned somewhere on Wikipedia. Separating them just raises the chances that both will be deleted and then neither will be mentioned on Wikipedia anywhere. Also, I've removed the link for Anime Poko since they are a merchant site and as such, their primary goal is to sell people things. These aren't considered to be reliable sources on Wikipedia, especially since the site also doesn't appear to have any visible editorial oversight. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  06:28, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Which raises the question if the festival is notable. Found, , and not much else... There are blogs, and niche sites like providing coverage. Better than for the organization, but I am still on the fence whether the festival could pass GNG... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  04:05, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I don't really think that the festival is all that notable either and I think that if you brought it to AfD, it'd likely be deleted as well. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:07, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Since it was redirected here and this is going to be deleted, I guess that's it. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
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