Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Japanese School in Bucharest


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The result was no consensus. (WP:NPASR.) (Non-administrator closure.) Northamerica1000(talk) 03:02, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Japanese School in Bucharest

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I can see no conclusive indication of notability here.


 * High schools are generally considered notable, but this is not, as far as I can tell, a high school.
 * While some international schools are notable, there is nothing magic about the term "international school" that automatically confers notability.
 * As far as I can discern, there are no independent sources in English or in Romanian covering this institution.
 * Regarding Japanese sources, all we are given, aside from the school website, is this. I may as well give a link to the machine translation, as well as to a translation of the parent site.
 * From what I can tell, this is a report submitted by a music teacher who worked at the school, one of many (some 60 a year) reports of Japanese teachers who have had experience at overseas schools. That's all well and good, but a self-submitted, unreviewed work report doesn't do much in terms of demonstrating notability. Unless we consider all such reports evidence of a particular school's notability (which would be absurd), we do need some sort of objective account about the school.
 * Moreover, this report, if anything, undermines claims to notability, informing us as it does that the school hosts at most 29 students, and 20 on average. I'm afraid there's little precedent for considering as notable a 20-pupil elementary school, barring extenuating circumstances like obvious notability derived from third-party sources, even if said school is Japanese and international. - Biruitorul Talk 16:41, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:48, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:48, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep due to secondary sources: the book on Japanese schools and the Romanian government source newspaper. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:00, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: There are other Japanese-language sources that discuss the school. Take a look at Google Books. I asked about these at the Reference_desk/Language Reference desk and I would like some help on what these are saying. Normally I'd do a Google News archive search but its functionality to do that seems to have been taken away, so I've been hampered in that way. But a few things...
 * This school's purpose is to educate children of Japanese nationals abroad. It is a nihonjin gakko and is an equivalent of a French or German or American international school. However it's true that it has no high school component. Typically local nihonjin gakko only cover elementary and junior high. In Japan junior high is the final compulsory education stage, while high school is not compulsory. There are Japanese boarding high schools in the United States, United Kingdom, Switzerland, and Singapore.
 * Considering the mission of these schools (educating Japanese nationals) especially considering that a Japanese person may not put their children in the local schools, low student enrollments aren't unusual.
 * The Japanese School of Mumbai serves a Japanese community in a major metropolis, and it has a grand total of 17 students in 2008.
 * The Cairo Japanese School had 28 students in February 2011.
 * Remember that WP:GNG allows for in-detail, independently produced reports about something to count towards notability. A possible hitch with that music teacher source is the independent. Part. According to GNG a source can describe the subject in detail and be published by someone else and be A-OK. But if the author has had a significant connections with the school then it wouldn't be independent and wouldn't count as part of GNG. The relevant part excludes "advertising, press releases, autobiographies, and the subject's website are not considered independent." I chose that source because Tokyo Gakugei University has it on its website, and so has published it.
 * WhisperToMe (talk) 04:52, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment #2: Found article from the Romanian Ministry of Education that seems to talk about this school. I'll use Google translate and see what I find.
 * While there were some English newspapers in Romania it seems like their websites went down and that makes it harder to search for things. I found one, The Diplomat, that has articles that talk about Romanian education in general and have a profile of the Japanese school but I don't think that one will count for GNG.
 * WhisperToMe (talk) 05:04, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment #3: Thanks to Oda Mari's help I discovered one of the source books was a book all about overseas Japanese schools (nihonjin gakkō or full-day Japanese schools and Hoshū Jugyō Kō or supplementary Japanese schools). It seems like this book has enough information about the Bucharest school to make it pass WP:GNG. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:27, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment #4: Biruitorul informed me that the source on the Romanian ministry website was from Cotidianul, which was a Romanian newspaper. Thank you very much for finding that. That should help prove GNG. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:55, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 03:16, 16 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment #5: I found that the school is politically (it isn't physically next door because the school is in Voluntari but the embassy itself is in Bucharest proper) attached to the Japanese Embassy in Romania (Oda Mari examined Japanese characters on an image on the school's homepage stating the name of the school). WhisperToMe (talk) 14:29, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Northamerica1000(talk) 20:59, 25 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment: I've found new sources (not the reports of Japanese teachers) that support notability. These sources themselves have not been contested. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:44, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
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