Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jarnail Singh (referee)


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The result was   Nomination withdrawn. LibStar (talk) 04:16, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Jarnail Singh (referee)

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I don't see how football referees are inherently notable. Perhaps if he refereed English premier league which he hasn't. Sources provided aren't really third party as they're all football related. LibStar (talk) 15:51, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete Several of the references cited are now broken links, although most of these seem to be football list-based rather than interviews or other ways of establishing notability. As things stand, the subject of this article doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG. Drchriswilliams (talk) 16:06, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment The policy for notability at WP:NFOOTBALL did previously mention referees (as match officials) until January 2015, with the requirement having been to have officiated at a Tier 1 international fixture. However, following a discussion at Referees- criteria for notability, the reference to match officials was removed. Drchriswilliams (talk) 16:08, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - hasn't officiated at a high-enough level, doesn't meet WP:GNG. GiantSnowman 19:25, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - Refs added - An ambassador for the Football Association, recipient of a Lifetime Achievement Award from the FA and the first Sikh to referee in English football.--Egghead06 (talk) 12:04, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * the first Sikh to referee English football does not advance notability, so we now create an article for the first Jew to referee English football? LibStar (talk) 12:34, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * in a sport where the exclusion of non-white, non-English people has been to subject of much discussion, yes the first Sikh to referee is of great importance. To introduce the first Jew into this is merely irrelevant.--Egghead06 (talk) 13:55, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * the lifetime award is not a notable award, in fact found no coverage of this award besides primary sources. LibStar (talk) 12:50, 26 March 2015 (UTC) - Really? Really??--Egghead06 (talk) 13:55, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * so by your logic then being an ambassador for the FA is of no importance either or maybe this is just another deletion discussion where nobody bothered to look for references!!?--Egghead06 (talk) 13:55, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Ref added - refereed at international level.--Egghead06 (talk) 06:52, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Is that source reliable? It incorrectly says Singh was born in England. Also it is highly unusual for a referee to officiate an international game without ever refereeing in the highest national league. LibStar (talk) 09:12, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Do we have a reliable source to say he was born in India? At the moment there is a deadlink which attempts to support him being born in India yet he is later described as "of Indian descent". Which is correct? Do you have a reliable source to support your view that it is unusual to ref at international level without refereeing at the highest national league level or is that your opinion? --Egghead06 (talk) 11:08, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Keep per Egghead06. Obviously notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paperpencils (talk • contribs) 12:32, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep The article itself still has a lack of high-quality references but there are a few details that have emerged since this article was nominated that lead me to think that the subject of the article might meet WP:GNG. I don't think the "lifetime achievement award" is a notable award in itself (and it is not an award bestowed by the FA, rather a promotional vehicle which was a joint venture organised by a company called "Inventive sports" and so of course some recipients are mentioned in newspapers, although I can't find any newspaper article that gives more than a passing mention to Singh's award; it does seem that there was more coverage of the 2013 awards than the inaugural 2012 event). I don't think it likely that Singh ever made it onto FIFA's men's referees list, also I don't think the friendly international game that he refereed in 2011 is likely to have been authorised as a tier 1 international match by FIFA. It does however appear that the FA have been keen to acknowledge his involvement and promote his profile, attempting to rectify diversity issues affecting English football. But, as I already said, there is hardly any newspaper coverage that has emerged to describe aspects, including any FA ambassador role, which is a still real problem here. Drchriswilliams (talk) 07:11, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 19:04, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep I looked in here merely out of curiosity, knowing nothing about football. This is rather a nice, pretty well referenced, brief biography. It's a whole lot better than I expected. He has indeed received coverage of a somewhat substantial nature and dealing with a variety of aspects of his life to make all this into more than a scorecard. And regarding the (rhetorical) question about whether being the first Sikh refereee advances notability, then maybe in itself it doesn't. However, if sources write about the matter then indeed it does count. Thincat (talk) 21:41, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
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