Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jasmine Parr


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  07:02, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Jasmine Parr

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Aspiring kickboxer. Doesn't appear to meet the current WP:NKICK or WP:NBOXING and I don't believe the existing coverage meets WP:GNG and fails WP:SIGCOV. Being daughter to a notable person does not constitute notability. However, she's is mentioned in her father’s articles.
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2022 September 1.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 14:19, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Women, Martial arts,  and Australia. Shellwood (talk) 14:27, 1 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Redirect to John Wayne Parr. Same consensus that was reached for her mother (see: Articles for deletion/Angela Rivera-Parr (2nd nomination)). Lethweimaster (talk) 11:55, 3 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep She's featured in the Sydney Morning Herald and the Gold Coast Bulletin . Appears to have met GNG, the Morning Heard article is from almost 10 yrs ago, she's had sustained coverage for a while now it seems. Daily Mail also .  Yes, the Daily Mail isn't a reliable source, but it shows media coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 14:42, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * If she continues fighting, I have a feeling one day she will have an article, but the mentioned articles are merely covering local fights of a 7-11 years old, there's no claim to notability there. The only reason there was an article in the first place is because she's Riding off her dad's "John Wayne Parr's daughter". Hasn't won notable titles as per WP:NBOXING and WP:NKICK. She has only one boxing fight. Until she's makes a name for herself as a notable kickboxer/boxer she's only John Wayne Parr's daughter. Thus why I suggested the Redirect. Lethweimaster (talk) 09:50, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Additionally, one could suggest that WP:NKICK criteria is reviewed? 1) There is only a few kickboxers these days that would win Raja and Lumpinee titles (so what happens with Glory, ONE FC, Rise, etc), and 2) Today, there seem to be no such a thing in kickboxing as "a major, preferably two, independent publication that meets the definition of a reliable source" that would have a rating.Zafir94 (talk) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   20:52, 9 September 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: Relisting. Participants seem divided over whether to Keep or Redirect. Only supporter of Delete is nominate User:Lethweimaster (please sign your statements). Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:18, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect I agree with Lethweimaster, there isn't enough coverage solely on Jasmine herself to pass GNG.  ♡RAFAEL♡(talk) 08:17, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:GNG with coverage such as these from the Gold Coast Bulletin, Herald Sun, Nationwide News, The Sidney Morning Herald and News.com.au. Alvaldi (talk) 15:16, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * If you actually look at the sources, the links you cited are non-notable matches from an 11 years old child or do not meet WP:SIGCOV. For example: The Nationwide news link is only a 30 seconds video of the subject getting her arm raised with the caption referencing her father: daughter of Australia kickboxer and boxer John Wayne Parr won the Australian boxing title.. Her only fight is for an Australian boxing title which does not meet WP:NBOXING. Lethweimaster (talk) 08:32, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Passing or failing WP:NBOXING is irrelevant in AfD's and her age or the level of the the competitions she participated in doesn't matter either. What matters is whether she was significantly covered. The Nationwide video aside, she still has multiple sources of significant coverage in reliable sources over a period of several years. Alvaldi (talk) 08:55, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? AfD's are exactly about verifying if the subject is passing or falling notability criteria, and subject fails them. Why did you cite the Nationwide link if it doesn't pass SIGCOV? Do you even know what is WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV? And yes the level of competition absolutely matters as per WP:NBOXING. As for GNG, the article is poorly sourced and the citations used do not make her pass: Article about from dad's gym (not independent) Our Fighters, article of John Wayne Parr talking about her Dad defends daughter's kickboxing fight, article about her dad on Sherdog (mentioning her) John Wayne Parr: The Gun Slinger’s Last Ride, article about her dad with passing mention of her Mundine to make boxing comeback, Grappling competition results South Pacific BJJ results, article of her mom not mentionning her . Lethweimaster (talk) 10:21, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:NSPORTS makes it very clear that it does not supersede WP:GNG and when taken to AfD, all subjects must be shown to have the significant coverage to pass GNG, regardless of whether they pass any sport guidelines. Likewise, failing one of the sport guidelines has no bearing on a subjects notability. SIGCOV is what matters. The lack of SIGCOV sources currently in the article is irrelevant as several SIGCOV sources have already been presented in this discussion that obviously can be added to the article. Alvaldi (talk) 12:34, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The sources listed are already in the article. One of the sources listed was a 30sec video with one sentence, not SIGCOV worthy. I am not convinced the subject deserves a stand-alone article for now, 1 maybe 2 decent coverage doesn't make it pass WP:GNG for a stand alone. Majority if it, not all of the articles are based on her Dad. There needs to be some-kind of claim to notability. Otherwise every influencer on earth will pass GNG. The girl is currently a non-notable fighter, 1 boxing fight for a non-notable title. Like I said previously, I think if she continues fighting, she will have better coverage and titles, not just riding off her dads coattails. Lethweimaster (talk) 14:14, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with the video being treated as non-sigcov, there are still multiple sources of sigcov presented here that establish that she passes GNG. She is notable as a fighter as several reliable and independent publications have taken note of her. And it doesn't matter if some articles are primarily about her dad as long as there is significant coverage of her in them. Per WP:SIGCOV "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." Alvaldi (talk) 15:51, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:GNG. There is quite a bit of coverage in public media independent of the subject since over five years.
 * Comments I'm leaning towards redirect. I'm not sure how to view articles that are about her, but only because she's the daughter of someone notable (note her young opponents are not considered notable)--and notability isn't inherited.  She clearly fails WP:NKICK and one pro boxing match doesn't seem significant.  This is not the place for a discussion of WP:NKICK, but I will mention that previous versions of WP:NKICK, before the big revamp of sports criteria, did list other titles that showed notability.  The change is why Jasmine's mother went from having an article to being a redirect. Papaursa (talk) 17:08, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I change my opinion from Delete to Redirect (to John Wayne Parr).Lethweimaster (talk) 10:20, 17 September 2022 (UTC)


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