Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jason Andrews (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. &mdash;Darkwind (talk) 03:00, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Jason Andrews
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Non-notable magician lacking Ghits and Gnews of substance. A number of awards, but they appear to be local or not major in nature. If the article could provide support for the awards, this AfD might not be necessary. Fails WP:BIO. red dog six (talk) 05:50, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment The awards section has been reorganized and some sources have already been added. Especially the most notable ones. More sources will be added as they are located. Teddyfoyle (talk) 06:36, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment The claimed awards are from the oldest magician's organization in the world, and the largest magician's group in the world, so the claim that they are "local or not major" seems incorrect. But verifying the claims seems difficult. I want to see better sourcing.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  06:52, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment We are working on providing additional sources but some of these groups, even the largest ones, do not print this information on their own web sites which is frustrating. How can we provide sources that will make everyone happy and remove this threat of deletion? Photos of the awards themselves seems extreme but if need be can be provided. But how would we link to the photos here and wouldn't that be considered a bit too much? Thank you for your assistance. Teddyfoyle (talk) 07:21, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Reply Photos of the awards are primary documents which don't show notability, . How about newspaper or magazine articles? The burden is on you. Please avoid speaking as "we". Wikipedia accounts are for one individual person only, not for groups. Please say "I" instead, and speak only for yourself.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  07:38, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Reply My apologies for using "we". Didn't mean to offend the Wiki world with my newness. Not every magazine or newspaper produces an online version that I can link to. I will continue to try to add sources. I am finding the experience of adding content to Wikipedia to be very frustrating and also finding those I am interacting with here so far to be very abrasive and confrontational without cause. It has not been a positive experience thus far, but I will continue to do whatever I need to do to fulfill what's asked of me. Teddyfoyle (talk) 07:47, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * No offense taken or intended. There is no need that sources be available online, . Paper sources are perfectly acceptable, although they should be cited in complete detail, and it is advisable to quote the most germane sentence or two from the article, for verification purposes. I have tried to be polite to you. I am sorry that you feel that some editors here are confrontational. Please be aware that every single day, literally thousands of new "articles" pour into Wikipedia, the majority of which are nonsense, spam, hoaxes, promotion of unknown people or obscure businesses, crank theories and complete craziness. All of this garbage and the few gems mixed in need to be evaluated by unpaid Wikipedia volunteers, and sometimes some of us get a bit jaded. I apologize for that.  Cullen 328   Let's discuss it  08:14, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * ""Comment"" Jason Andrews appeared as a headlining performer at the Crazy Horse Paris at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. http://www.newslincolncounty.com/archives/65781, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eeia4osSgoo (shows him performing there)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.202.202.253 (talk) 06:53, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Reply Thank you. Those sources have been added to the page now. Teddyfoyle (talk) 03:38, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
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UPDATE: I have now added several sources and references to the article. More will be added as well. While reviewing other magician wikipedia pages it is obvious that this article has a substantial amount of notable content and has value to its existence. Jason is a internationally known magician with TV and stage work along with first place awards granted by the oldest and largest magician's group in the world which I have sourced. I can't see how this article should in any way be deleted as it's validity is obvious at this point. Hopefully we can put this deletion issue to rest. Thanks to everyone for their feedback and assistance. Teddyfoyle (talk) 23:25, 5 January 2014 (UTC) 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Guerillero  &#124;  My Talk  07:04, 15 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. Press releases do not confer notability, and, as expected of an article that relies on them, this article is too promotional.  Maybe a neutral rewrite that uses reliable sources could survive, but this looks like it was written by the guy's agent.  My own Google searches turn up nothing useful.  It looks like it's too soon for an article on this magician.  Once he gets a few articles in The New York Times and CNN, he can have an article. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 14:30, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. This article is about a magician that has won the highest placed ranking award from the oldest and most respected magician organization in the world and has also toured and headlined worldwide as well as on the Las Vegas strip. All with cited sources. Also, the way the article is written is not different from the way most articles about living people are written here. I think it's very clear that this is a very valid article and I'm not sure why this was re-listed as the original reason it was nominated for deletion has been well disproven at this point. Teddyfoyle (talk) 20:01, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. According to Wikipedia′s notability ″Determining notability does not necessarily depend on things such as fame, importance, or popularity.″ So I do not agree that he needs to be in the NY Times or on CNN. 1na8ense (talk) 01:35, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep, wide range of awards and sources. However, User:Teddyfoyle may have a conflict of interest. Stifle (talk) 09:14, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete and try again with a more modest article. Trying to include everything posssiblere in this manner is promotional. There needs to be enough, but that should include only the most important. &#39;DGG (at NYPL)&#39; (talk) 19:24, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete a lot of primary sources. he needs more coverage in mainstream press to get over the line to meet WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 23:36, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.