Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jason Clarke (ice hockey)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus in this discussion and among those who have commented in the related thread at WT:NSPORTS is that participation in the RHI league is not sufficient to presume notability. Since there is otherwise not sourcing to show he meets WP:GNG, the result is Delete. RL0919 (talk) 02:11, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Jason Clarke (ice hockey)

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Subject fails WP:NHOCKEY. Highest level of play was the ECHL which only counts notability for preeminent honours and the subject has none. Tay87 (talk) 10:33, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Tay87 (talk) 10:33, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Does not meet the requirements at WP:NHOCKEY.4meter4 (talk) 20:47, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep meets WP:SPORTBASIC by playing in the highest level of professional roller hockey. -DJSasso (talk) 17:48, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Withdraw Per above, I request the nomination be withdrawn. I honestly did not take roller hockey into account and I apologise for my ignorance towards it. Tay87 (talk) 15:47, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm going to repeat what I said at WP:Articles for deletion/Jason Clark (ice hockey). You might want to reconsider your withdraw vote.  For one thing you can't withdraw once another editor has also voted to delete the article.  More importantly, there's no evidence he competed at the highest level as WP:NSPORT requires.  The Roller Hockey World Cup, which started in 1936, is the internationally recognized world championship for roller hockey and there's no evidence that he ever played in it.  Playing in the only pro league in North America does not mean he played at the highest level--especially when the average pay was $314 a week  for maybe 10 weeks and the players were predominantly minor league ice hockey players trying to stay in shape over summer. Papaursa Papaursa (talk) 03:41, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I've said all I needed to say on the other nomination. When I got that message, I felt bad for ignoring roller hockey and I felt at the time the least I could do was withdraw my nomination. But I'll certainly keep it in mind for future that after one delete vote it's out of my hands. Tay87 (talk) 07:59, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I would point out the Roller Hockey World Cup is actually for a different sport. That is for Roller hockey (quad) and not Roller in-line hockey which he played. -DJSasso (talk) 10:42, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Did he ever compete at the IIHF Inline Hockey World Championship? I believe that is the same sport and if he competed there I would agree he meets WP:NSPORT and will readily change my vote. Papaursa (talk) 22:36, 25 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete Based on my comment above, there's no evidence he ever played at the roller hockey world championships, the highest level of the sport, so WP:NSPORT is not met. In addition, he fails to meet WP:NHOCKEY and there's no significant independent coverage to support a claim that WP:GNG is met. Papaursa (talk) 03:41, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:SPORTBASIC defines the highest level of the sport also as the highest professional league. Which Roller Hockey International was and which he played in, and which received a lot of press as well as primetime sports coverage while it existed. -DJSasso (talk) 10:34, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * So you're claiming that everyone who played in a short-lived, now defunct, roller hockey league is automatically notable? Do you have any evidence this was the highest level of pro roller hockey in the world? I can see high school football players on primetime TV but that doesn't make them all notable. And they're pro in the sense of making money, not in earning a living.  Some organizations/sports differentiate. Papaursa (talk) 22:36, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per Djsasso. Rlendog (talk) 14:17, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ST47 (talk) 22:06, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Notice In order to help clarify the status of RHI players, I have opened a discussion at WT:NSPORTS. I'm hoping to get more opinions about whether or not RHI players should be considered automatically notable. Papaursa (talk) 00:12, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete This league (RHI) had a brief period of notable coverage, which did not last. It has been argued before that it was the highest level of the sport, which would imply the top players gravitating to it.  There is no evidence of that; top players from Europe stayed in Europe.  Inline skating and play existed since at least 1972.  There is only evidence that some ice hockey players enjoyed it, some of them notable, some not.  The players other accomplishments do not satisfy any measure of notability either.18abruce (talk) 17:38, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * delete Fails to meet the GNG or WP:NHOCKEY. I don't believe that playing in the RHI grants automatic notability and neither does the consensus at the discussion at WP:NSPORT. Sandals1 (talk) 15:06, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: I reject the assertion that SPORTSBASIC grants presumptive notability to the "highest level" of any sport, no matter how obscure. The pertinent sentence is "The guidelines on this page are intended to reflect the fact that sports figures are likely to meet Wikipedia's basic standards of inclusion if they have, for example, participated in a major international amateur or professional competition at the highest level (such as the Olympics)." This sets a pretty high bar, and as it happens, we have a pretty good notion of the notability of roller hockey players, almost all of whom were ice hockey minor-leaguers and not many of whom could meet the GNG.   Ravenswing    01:58, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Except it doesn't matter how good they were at a different sport. That is like saying Michael Jordan isn't a notable basketball player because he was only a minor-league baseball player. Two different sports. -DJSasso (talk) 15:45, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:GNG and WP:HOCKEY. The roller hockey notability auto-notability argument is silly when no sources are available to support his play in the league. SportingFlyer  T · C  02:39, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Does not meet WP:NHOCKEY, and not enough sources of significant coverage identified to meet WP:GNG. Like, I also reject the assertion by some that WP:SPORTSBASIC is met. The guidelines on this page are intended to reflect the fact that sports figures are likely to meet Wikipedia's basic standards of inclusion if they have, for example, participated in a major international amateur or professional competition at the highest level (such as the Olympics).: Here, the "guidelines" being described are the sport-specific guidelines that proceed under "Professional sports people". It does not make sense for it to be a catch-all for the "highest level" of sports for which significant coverage of its players have not been demonstrated. (e.g. obscure sports/leagues)—Bagumba (talk) 06:55, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Except that it was intended to be a catch all, that section was a hold over from WP:ATHLETE to cover the professional sports which didn't get their own section with more specific details when the switch from ATHLETE to NSPORTS happened. The presumption is that if the sport is big enough to be able to have a professional level then it is not obscure. -DJSasso (talk) 15:41, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Sure, but consensus can change (witness WP:PORNBIO). I'm not comfortable with blindly green-lighting players from say the National Dodgeball League with a catch all. It needs to be demonstrated that they receive significant coverage.—Bagumba (talk) 00:49, 4 October 2019 (UTC)


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