Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jason Lisle


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The result was   delete. Courcelles (talk) 03:18, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Jason Lisle

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Fails WP:BIO and WP:PROF quite spectacularly. It is a curiosity to have a sheep-in-wolf's-clothing get a PhD in astronomy, but he's not notable outside of the creationist-cheering-squads as far as I can see. The CNN reference doesn't really do the trick; it's more spectacle than it is conferring notability on Lisle. ScienceApologist (talk) 04:09, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - Crackpot POV peddling. Carrite (talk) 04:57, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. There's nothing notable there at all. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:21, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
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 * Delete per the above. I agree with the nom that once being a guest on a talking-heads program is not particularly significant and does not amount to coverage of the person himself.   Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 00:28, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails GNG and WP:PROF quite clearly. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 01:32, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. I think we have to be very careful here about rendering emotional or subjective judgments in this case. I don't see a real POV problem here, as was floated above. The article reports details on schooling, publications, place of employment, etc. – all of this is, in fact, good biographical fodder. Nevertheless, I feel the subject still fails the notability test per the following: First, because the subject has a doctorate and works very conspicuously under that title, we should probably be testing against WP:PROF. WoS shows 3 publications in Astrophys. J. and Am. J. Phys. (top mainstream physics journals), however, his h-index is also only 3 and the total (collective) citations are only 27 – far short of our traditional requirements. Also, his books are not at all widely held, e.g. "Taking Back Astronomy" (<40), "The Ultimate Proof of Creation" (<40), and "Old Earth Creationism on Trial" (<30). His debate with Eugenie Scott is interesting, but this seems to have been a one-time event. It may very well be that he becomes a prominent spokesman for Creationism in the future, in which case he'll genuinely merit a page on those grounds. But for the moment, he's notable neither as a scientist nor a creationist. Respectfully, Agricola44 (talk) 15:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC).
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