Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jasper Mall


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. The Wordsmith Communicate 02:21, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Jasper Mall

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Malls in general are non-notable, even malls in or near small towns. Do we want thousands of wikipedia articles on every mall in America? Montanabw (talk) 20:11, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Sometimes, even smaller malls can be notable enough for inclusion. However, I haven't been able to find any secondary sources about this one. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 20:13, 22 February 2010 (UTC) Weak keep per Miltowent's sources. Ten Pound Hammer , his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 20:33, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * What about the ones I added today? You have to search the archive of those papers to find them, they don't pop up in a google news or have a URL I could add.--Milowent (talk) 20:31, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: I just deprodded this one and added some sources, shame to see it go to AfD so quickly. Anyhoo, is clearly not true to claim that "malls in general are non-notable" because we already have tons of mall articles on wikipedia, many of which are about smaller malls which are the only mall in their market area.  (But i agree that strip malls or small malls within a large metro area are rarely notable.)  Wikipedia won't break if we have referenced articles on these malls.  see, e.g., Articles for deletion/Lagrange Mall.  We have articles on every single place location in the world, many of which are notable only to those who live nearby.  I know a mall is not the same as some incorporated crossroads with a population of 50 or less, but a mall like this is probably more notable than that.--Milowent (talk) 20:31, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Malls-related deletion discussions.  —Milowent (talk) 20:38, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Alabama-related deletion discussions.  —Milowent (talk) 20:55, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * DeleteIt is untrue that "malls in general are non-notable" if regional (400,000 but less than 800,000 square feet of gross leasable area) and superregional (over 800,000 square feet) malls are considered. See Wikipedia talk:Notability (shopping centers) which is a tabulation of all AFDs for malls from Nov 20 2006 through September 24, 2007. Commonly, articles about strip malls and dead malls with little information available were deleted. Some small malls or "power centers" got kept, especially if in some small country. Superregional and many regional malls were commonly (but not always) kept. This one is said to be 300,000 square feet, so smaller than regional. I see no particular claim to historicity or architectural quality, just routine coverage in the local paper. Wikipedia is not a directory of all shopping centers. Edison (talk) 21:11, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, this looks to be a large regional mall with decent coverage. It is not exactly 400,000 sq ft but within the range that I see no advantage to removing the page.  RFerreira (talk) 00:38, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: well sourced, more than passing coverage. Qrsdogg (talk) 02:55, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete Almost all of the sources are just the local paper, which alone does not establish any notability. Nothing in the article indicates it is anything other than a run of the mill mall. As Edison notes, it seems to have no historical claims, no special achitectural significant, and nothing in the article indicates that it is significant or noteworthy in any way. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 05:31, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, so it meets the basic notability guideline. How many more sources would you need?--Milowent (talk) 05:42, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Where? I don't see any. A local paper in a small town covering random tidbits about its local events is not independent nor significant. Per WP:COMPANY: "attention solely from local media, or media of limited interest and circulation, is not an indication of notability."-- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 14:13, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Both the local Jasper newspaper, as well as the major Alabama papers, do not appear to be indexed in Google news. Via direct searching of their archives, I was able to add cites to the Jasper paper, the Birmingham News (a regional newspaper), and the Birmingham Business Journal.  Please note that the local article cites that I added are not "random tidbits" about mall events, they include two profiles of the mall from 2001 and 2006.  Unlike most mall articles, this one is completely sourced.--Milowent (talk) 15:15, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete The approximate level above which we consider a US mall notable is between 800,000 and 1 million square feet. This is only one-third that size. No non-local importance.    DGG ( talk ) 04:29, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, jeepers. Jasper Mall is doomed now.--Milowent (talk) 04:35, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - Significant mall that has press coverage. People above provide citations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Disolveinarow (talk • contribs) 10:50, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment:  For those judging by mall size as a proxy for notability, note that I updated with a source that the current mall size is 350,000 square feet.  It originally was about 80,000 sq. ft. smaller before the 2001-02 expansion.--Milowent (talk) 15:15, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge to Jasper, Alabama per Pink  below. Delete of purely local interest, most of the cites are to reportage of press releases, and all are local.  It is not the size of the mall, it is its impact.  An early smaller mall which was innovative in its time may well have attracted national attention, while a larger cookie-cutter mall with no particular features will remain unnotable. Here there is no evidence of anything except another cookie-cutter mall.  There are no architectural awards.  No press outside Alabama.  No innovative financing schemes. --Bejnar (talk) 04:14, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * At the very least, it can be merged into Jasper, Alabama, where it's located.-- Pink Bull  02:45, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.