Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jay Chen


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 03:20, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Jay Chen

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 * Delete per Not notable. Small business owner who went to Harvard on ROTC scholarship. Failed bid for Congress. Community college trustee. Not a professor or educator. SW3 5DL (talk) 17:31, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep as Notable. Jay Chen appeared on Tucker Carlson Tonight/Fox News on December 22 to debate the subject of affirmative action. The segment enraged Tucker Carlson viewers who have attacked him on social media including Wikipedia.  On December 23 SW3 5DL proceeded to delete most of the existing information on the page, then submitted it for deletion as "Not Notable" after deleting nearly all of the content.  Jay Chen is an elected official who has been invited to appear on Fox News and The Daily Show to comment on topical matters.  Wikiwatcher99 (talk) 22:30, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Attempts to delete his page are an attempt by those who disagree with him to silence him and limit public knowledge. Please check the revision history beginning December 22.  Wikiwatcher99 (talk) 22:30, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * That's an outrageous claim, perhaps an attempt to intimidate editors, that has no sources, let alone veracity. Much like the entire article. He's not notable. I cleaned up the article which also violated WP:SYNTH and failed WP:Politician. Chen did appear on Fox News, as a small business owner, and I found nothing online that suggests he's been attacked by anybody for anything, other than an early attempt to recall him from being a school board member that was later withdrawn. SW3 5DL (talk) 22:46, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Editors note: Wikiwatcher appears to be a SPA and may have a relationship with the subject. . SW3 5DL (talk) 23:05, 24 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete This person is on the board of tustees of a college and was on a school board. Neither of these are notable level political positions. He ran for congress, but was defeated. In almost all cases defeated candidates for the US house are not notable, and there is no clear indication that he is an exception to that rule.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:41, 26 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment Criteria for notability include: Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage. Jay Chen has appeared on the BBC, The Daily Show and Tucker Carlson Tonight, besides numerous print media.  This is documented in the history that was deleted by SW3 5DL shortly after Jay's appearance on Tucker Carlson.  Attempts to delete Jay Chen are an unfortunate extension of partisan attacks that have no place in Wikipedia.Wikiwatcher99 (talk) 18:54, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Major local political figures who have been the subject of significant press coverage. In other words, the coverage has to be about him; appearing as a talking head in coverage about other things is not the kind of "coverage of him" that it takes. Bearcat (talk) 16:09, 28 December 2016 (UTC)


 * The sources are all in the history. SW3 5DL began deleting this entry after Jay Chen's appearance on Tucker Carlson.  Jay Chen's appearance has resulted in racist attacks online and erasing this page appears to be an extension of this attack.  He did not appear as a small business owner, he appeared as an advocate for Harvard university and is being attacked for his position on affirmative action.  Previous partisan attacks against Jay Chen were all referenced in this entry before SW3 5DL deleted them. Wikiwatcher99 (talk) 18:51, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Bias of SW3 5DL Exposed - : One of the edits made by SW3 5DL, since deleted by him state this: "That's an outrageous claim that has no sources, let alone veracity. Much like the entire article. He's not notable. I cleaned up the article which also violated WP:SYNTH and failed WP:Politician. Chen did appear on Fox News as a small business owner who supports discrimination against Asians and that has nothing to do with the afd." In arguing that Chen "supports discrimination against Asians" he is parroting the partisan talking points made by Tucker Carlson and his supporters, and has revealed that this attempt to delete is purely political. Wikiwatcher99 (talk) 18:59, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Further Bias of SW3 5DL Exposed - A previous edit made by SW3 5DL can also be found in the history, in which SW3 5DL proves himself to be a watcher of Tucker Carlson who agrees with Tucker's viewpoints and disagrees with Jay. Therefore the attempt to delete is personal and political. Full text of his comments show that SW3 5DL is choosing to delete Jay Chen because he disagrees with his political views.  SW3 5DL is attempting to practice censorship:  "That's an outrageous claim that has no sources, let alone veracity. Much like the entire article. He's not notable. I cleaned up the article. It conflated his school board run as if it were some political contest, which it is not. It also made claims that were not sourced at all. It gave the first glance impression that he was a member of the U.S. Congress. It gave him a politicians info box when he's not been elected to any office except school board or as a trustee. It's not policy to create pages for every person who is a former school board member. It conflated him at every turn and relied heavily on articles from a college newspaper or not reliable sources. It also violated WP:SYNTH.  As for his appearance on Tucker Carlson, which I've watched on Youtube when I googled this fellow to check for viable notability, it appears he's credited on the show with being a small business owner who supports Harvard's discrimination against Asian students, which holds them to a much higher standard than it uses for students of all other races. It's not WP policy to give a wiki page to every former school board member/small business owner who has appeared on Fox News. Does he have  a movement going regarding affirmative action? If so, that might warrant a page. No, he's simply a failed candidate for congress who has done essentially nothing but get himself noticed on occasion. I don't see anywhere in policy that says that qualifies for an article on WP.  SW3 5DL (talk) 22:46, 24 December 2016 (UTC)"Wikiwatcher99 (talk) 19:05, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 * SW3 5DL revising wikipedia pages on behalf of Republican Party Analysis of SW3 5DL revision history reveals a pattern of behavior aimed at furthering the goals of conservative ideology while eliminating or criticizing progressive Wikipedia entries. Much of his activity is focused on promoting Donald Trump and protecting Republican interests, while critiques and deletions are limited to "Liberal" entries like Jay Chen and Council of La Raza.  SW3 5DL is abusing the Wikipedia platform for political gain. Wikiwatcher99 (talk) 19:21, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Wikiwatcher99, the purpose of the AfD is to determine if the subject of this article is notable. If you believe Jay Chen is notable, it is up to you to show his notability with reliable sources. It does not help to disrupt the AfD by bullying and making claims against the nominator of the AfD. This is not an argument. It's a review of the article and the rules for retaining articles on Wikipedia. Please strike your comments and present evidence of notability per the Wikipedia guidelines. SW3 5DL (talk) 21:36, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete I just don't think he's notable. White Arabian Filly  Neigh 23:12, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Clearly non-notable: failed candidate, trustee of a local college, no way he passes WP:POLITICIAN. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:51, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 07:53, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 07:53, 28 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. Nothing claimed in this article gives him an automatic pass of any subject-specific inclusion criterion, but the article is not sourced nearly well enough to claim WP:GNG in lieu; this is based almost entirely on primary and/or unreliable sources, with the reliable source coverage being limited to glancing namechecks of his existence in articles that aren't about him. And appearing as a talking head on the news doesn't aid encyclopedic notability, either: if he's giving soundbite about something else, then he fails to be the subject of that piece of coverage, and if he's talking about himself then it's subject to the same problems as any other self-published source: people can and do lie about and/or misrepresent themselves. And getting attacked on social media is not a notability freebie, either. So no, nothing here is enough and Wikiwatcher isn't strengthening the case with his arguments. And I ain't no Tucker Carlson fan, neither, so my comment isn't coming from a place of ideological bias. Bearcat (talk) 16:17, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:GNG Exemplo347 (talk) 14:47, 29 December 2016 (UTC)


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