Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jay Dee (comedian)


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The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 05:09, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Jay Dee (comedian)

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Jay Dee (stage name) is a stand up comedian whose claim to notability would mostly come from his being a consultant for the Chappelle Show. When it comes down to it, there's only one news article that can verify any of the information in the wiki article. I believe part of the issue comes from no one knowing his real name. Fails the litmus test of notability but the main issue seems to be verifiability. Sounds like he could certainly be notable in the future but just not now. Ol Yeller '''Talktome 23:25, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note - I've looked harder to find references that prove that Jay Dee (comedian) was a consultant for the show and cannot. I've checked the Comedy Central website, IMDB, Dave Chappelle Wiki page, ChappelleCenter.com and TV.com.  I looked for any consultants who could be Jay Dee (as his real name) and found nothing there either.  Ol Yeller  '''Talktome 20:50, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note - With the help of the author I put some more references in the article. Jay Dee was covered under his stage name (for finding a worm in his M&Ms) by the local Fox channel.  He was also listed with 99 other people by Urban Tulsa Weekly as a person to watch in 2009.  Personally, I'm not sure about the worm incident proving notability.  By itself it wouldn't under WP:ONEEVENT but with the other Urban Tulsa Weekly article (Humorist Manifesto) it might.  The list of 100 people to watch in 2009 doesn't help to prove notability in my opinion.  It's one line about his potential notability and if you consider it an award or honor, I don't think it's notable under CREATIVE. I think what it comes down to now is if you consider the article in UTW (Humorist Manifesto), the story about him finding a worm in his M&Ms, and his short bio on RoofTopComedy.com, to be significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.  Personally, I feel that the Humorist Manifesto article is great but the others don't prove overall notability.  Ol Yeller  '''Talktome 19:34, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - unable to find reliable sources to verify material or establish notability. -- Whpq (talk) 16:57, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note - I've reviewed the revised references and there still remains insufficient coverage to establish notability. -- Whpq (talk) 19:40, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The Chappelle connection isn't all of what makes Jay Dee notable. He is a recognizable figure in the stand-up comedy industry and is widely recognized in Tulsa, Oklahoma for his accomplishments. There is more than one link with Urban Tulsa Weekly regarding Jay Dee and there are other articles out there on the internet as well like rooftopcomedy.com(which verifies all comedians prior to being posted on their site). There are many sources that show his notability that is independent to the Chappelle connection. The way I see it the worse case scenario might be a re-write of the article if it is needed instead of deleting it.Bruce Jennings (talk) 22:00, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's the problems in my opinion. You say that he's a recognizable figure but that's your opinion.  You say he's widely recognized which is again your opinion.  If there are other sources that show significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject and back up those opinoins (see WP:Notability), then please present them anywhere and I'll get them in the article.  I've broken down why all of the sources that have been provided can't be used, on the talk page.  Even if rooftopcomedy.com is reliable and independent, it still basically only shows that he exists.  Also, if it's used as a source, that's still only 2 sources.  I consider the Chappelle Show reference to be the strongest point of notability but, like i've said, I can't verify that information.  That he's notable for any other reason is still speculative and hasn't been backed up or verified.  Ol Yeller  '''Talktome 18:26, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton  Talk  ·  Review  00:00, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 04:04, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


 * If all the cite neededs in the article at this point are replaced by refs, keep. Otherwise, I guess we have to consider deletion. The article is certainly informative and neutral, it's just not verifiable at present. Hiding T 15:08, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


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